How do you make 3 million work when you need to get a back up goalie and probably another winger? I think the next move has to be Vinny so you can get your roster in shape before FA starts on July 1.
- J35Bacher

I think you can realistically get Boyle for 5 years and 11-12.5 million, cap hit of 2.2-2.5 million. Looking at his career numbers, I don't see him getting more than that

But the system was different when Vinny was signed. You have to factor that in. The direction changed. Vinny wanted to play in the run and gun style of Lavy. berube is structed d first with a commintment to puck supposrt
- J35Bacher

And the injuries, and the sub par season. A lot has changed since Lecavalier was signed.

here you go:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
poulit
FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brian Boyle ($3.000m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Benoit Pouliot ($1.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Mark Alt ($0.782m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Devan Dubnyk ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,115,000; BONUSES: $1,830,833
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $4,985,000
- PhillaBully

You won't get Pouliot for less than 2.5 and I'm not intersted in Dubnyk as a backup

I think you can realistically get Boyle for 5 years and 11-12.5 million, cap hit of 2.2-2.5 million. Looking at his career numbers, I don't see him getting more than that
- BiggE

No more five year deals for 3rd/4th liners, especially a guy who is three years removed from his career season.

That is a factor but I do think Holmgren and Hextall are different GMs with different views on players. If Holmgren is still GM I'd wager that Hartnell is still a Flyer regardless of the fit with Berube.

I am still hoping Hextall trades of one of Grossmann or L. Schenn. I would prefer Grossmann due to age/injuries. If the defense struggles, I would rather not see over the hill guys struggle, i'd rather see young guys who might be better next year because they struggled this year.
- Flyers_01

If you bring up players and they struggle, they might not be better the following year. They might be worse, and it might derail their career. Bring up players when they are ready to play in the NHL, not to struggle.

Friday, November 14th 2014: Hartnell scores his 7th goal of the season.


- Streit2ThePoint

and Bob gets the shutout

You won't get Pouliot for less than 2.5 and I'm not intersted in Dubnyk as a backup
- BiggE

I'd take Dubnyk at league minimum

You won't get Pouliot for less than 2.5 and I'm not intersted in Dubnyk as a backup
- BiggE

i threw dubnyk in there as a minimum backup...first name i saw. The original challenge was that you wont be able to sign boyle for three million and have room backup.

I'd rather go with Chad Johnson.

You won't get Pouliot for less than 2.5 and I'm not intersted in Dubnyk as a backup
- BiggE

cORRECT. The playoffs that Pouliot and Boyle had they will get money from some team.

If you bring up players and they struggle, they might not be better the following year. They might be worse, and it might derail their career. Bring up players when they are ready to play in the NHL, not to struggle.
- MJL

Correct. If Hextall and Berube are following kind of what LA does they won't put players in unless they know they are ready.

I'd rather go with Chad Johnson.
- Feanor

I would try to get Thomas Griess. Check out his numbers. Was a very solid back up and played well when Smith got hurt. And young

To be honest, I wouldn't be that upset to see him stay and given the right position and linemates for an extended period. I really don't think what we saw last year is indicative of the player that VL is now. While I don't expect him to blow anyone away anymore, I think he can and will be better than last year. Still don't think he's a great fit for Berube's system, but if he stays I believe he will be better than what we saw last year.
- funmaster18

For me, the issue with VL is simply total dollars and years against the cap combined with declining effectiveness. This was my same beef with Hartnell.

When I first heard about the Hartnell trade, I was very happy. I was also under the impression that Umberger made significantly less money and was a couple years younger than Hartnell.

I'm less happy about the trade now than I was yesterday, but I still think it was a good move.

The Flyers' problem isnt going to be scoring. After their early season struggles with the transition from Laviolette's system to Berube's system, they were able to put the puck into the net.

Their problem is keeping the puck out of their own net. Umberger is an improvement over Hartnell in that regards, and VL was pretty much a disaster at even strength last year.

Hextall speaks...


- tangent_man

"When you look at a move you look at the future". Wow, thinking of the future when making a trade...sounds like a culture change for the Flyers.

Jarome Iginla ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Dustin Penner ($2.500m)
Petr Straka ($0.925m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Robert Hagg ($0.925m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($2.500m)

Make this happen

I would try to get Thomas Griess. Check out his numbers. Was a very solid back up and played well when Smith got hurt. And young
- J35Bacher

He would be a nice back up. I'd consider him "middle-aged" as far as a goalie's career

"When you look at a move you look at the future". Wow, thinking of the future when making a trade...sounds like a culture change for the Flyers.
- Dkos

Let's look at two of the biggest moves Holmgren made as a GM. Trading Richards and Carter. Would those deals be classified as for now, or for the future?

Jarome Iginla ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Dustin Penner ($2.500m)
Petr Straka ($0.925m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Robert Hagg ($0.925m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($2.500m)

Make this happen
- flyersfan51

Not going to happen, sorry.

Jarome Iginla ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Dustin Penner ($2.500m)
Petr Straka ($0.925m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Robert Hagg ($0.925m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($2.500m)

Make this happen
- flyersfan51

I doubt this works Cap wise. And you wouldn't even get a conversation started with the Niskanen camp for 4.25M. Try closer to 7M for Niskanen.

Not going to happen, sorry.
- Streit2ThePoint

not enough?? think he gets like 6??

I doubt this works Cap wise. And you wouldn't even get a conversation started with the Niskanen camp for 4.25M. Try closer to 7M for Niskanen.
- MJL

It worked on capgeek - unless that's not reliable. We need a D man and I'm not sure who else is out there - I would not give him 7 million!

not enough?? think he gets like 6??
- flyersfan51

there are some who think he's getting 7.

I think that would be a gross overpayment, but the market is such that UFA defensemen do get grossly overpaid.

there are some who think he's getting 7.

I think that would be a gross overpayment, but the market is such that UFA defensemen do get grossly overpaid.
- Doc_Sarcasm

that is true - i was just looking at what i posted and saw MacDonald at 5 and then I put in 4.25 for Niskanen....yeah, right! he's way better than MacDonald. wishful thinking.

It worked on capgeek - unless that's not reliable. We need a D man and I'm not sure who else is out there - I would not give him 7 million!
- flyersfan51

It's reliable to a point. What did you do with Pronger?

It worked on capgeek - unless that's not reliable. We need a D man and I'm not sure who else is out there - I would not give him 7 million!
- flyersfan51

you might not , other GM's will. He is not going to take a 3 mill pay cut to don the O&B 2.5 mill for nabakov LOL