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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
I don't think Iginla is getting 6 million and if he wanted that I am looking at something else.
- J35Bacher



He pretty much made 6M last year with Boston. He had 31 goals and 30 assists. Why is he going to take a paycut?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
Omg the oilers are pathetic. Have to overshoot nikitin by a full million a year to sign him
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
Do you say this because nothing has been done with him yet, or is there something else?

Now that Schenn is signed I think they have to address the back up goalie.

- Marc D

I have no hard evidence. Just my gut, and the fact that he really did want that #1 spot. And I doubt he's given up on it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
Can't use that roster and maximize the LTIR cap space for Pronger due to the roster limit of 20 players.
- MJL


Okay, can you or someone please explain what must be done to maximize Pronger's LTIR on day 1 of the season and all rules/pitfalls associated with it?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
There's never any guarantee that any player will live up to a contract no matter how big or small. NHL GM's and player agents know what the market is for players. It's really some of the fans who haven't kept pace.
- MJL

oooh BURNNNN!!!

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
Omg the oilers are pathetic. Have to overshoot nikitin by a full million a year to sign him
- Just5



What are you basing that on?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
That should put to bed the coburn to oilers rumors
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
If we need to point to this deal by the Oilers to make ourselves better accept the MaC deal, that's not a great sign.
- wilsonecho91


Or maybe the market for defensemen is insane.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
That should put to bed the coburn to oilers rumors
- Just5


Coburn for Nikitin!
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
That should put to bed the coburn to oilers rumors
- Just5

I doubt it...
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
What are you basing that on?
- MJL


Common sense
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
Or maybe the market for defensemen is insane.
- johndewar


No teh FlYeRs r teh suk!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
Okay, can you or someone please explain what must be done to maximize Pronger's LTIR on day 1 of the season and all rules/pitfalls associated with it?
- jmatchett383



Pronger's full Cap hit has to be included on the active roster with the Flyers at or under the upper limit, with a roster of 20 players.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
I am curious what Stastny and O'Reilly will want now that Callahan got 5.8. Must be thinking


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

- J35Bacher

ROR is going to arbitration, will likely make less then he did last year, for one year at least. What Stasny will get is going to be interesting.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
MacDonald is a year younger and more accomplished at the NHL level.

2 years at 4.5 AAV for a guy who barely played makes MacDonald seem underpaid.

- johndewar



Just like AMac, it's just what one team was willing to (over)pay a guy, in the absence of any competition.

We'll have to wait until post July 1 before drawing any real conclusions. I suspect that we'll see some very good guys end up having to take relative peanuts because several guys like Nikitin broke the bank first.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
Common sense
- Just5



That doesn't play.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:29 AM ET
Omg the oilers are pathetic. Have to overshoot nikitin by a full million a year to sign him
- Just5


It's like he's getting an extra 2 mil/year just because his name is an alliteration.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:30 AM ET
Pronger's full Cap hit has to be included on the active roster with the Flyers at or under the upper limit, with a roster of 20 players.
- MJL


So they need exactly 20 players (no more, no less), plus Pronger, and when they add up all of the salaries, the optimum amount would be the exact upper limit? At which point you can LTIR Prongher, reducing your cap hit by $4.921M, and add players to the roster?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:30 AM ET
Just like AMac, it's just what one team was willing to (over)pay a guy, in the absence of any competition.

We'll have to wait until post July 1 before drawing any real conclusions. I suspect that we'll see some very good guys end up having to take peanuts because several guys like Nikitin broke the bank first.

- Tomahawk



Saying there is an absence of competition is innacurate. All Nikitin has to say if you don't meet my salary demands, I test free agency on July 1. And there is the competition.
Quality defenseman are in demand, that elevates the market.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 10:31 AM ET
He pretty much made 6M last year with Boston. He had 31 goals and 30 assists. Why is he going to take a paycut?
- MJL



Ok. 1.8 plus the bonuses of 4.2. i get it. He had the cap hit at 6 million so i just assumed 6 million cap hit.

He might get that but I don't think Boston can do that again. Have some RFAs to sign and took a nice hit with the bonus cushion. He might have to take some type of cut to stay where he wants. I mean their will be teams that might pay but does he want to go there would be the question.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:31 AM ET
I have no hard evidence. Just my gut, and the fact that he really did want that #1 spot. And I doubt he's given up on it.
- FlyersGrace

Are there any #1 goalie spots left?
I know there are 8-9 teams that need backups.

Love Ray but think his days of being the everyday starter are done.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:31 AM ET
So they need exactly 20 players (no more, no less), plus Pronger, and when they add up all of the salaries, the optimum amount would be the exact upper limit? At which point you can LTIR Prongher, reducing your cap hit by $4.921M, and add players to the roster?
- jmatchett383



It can be more then 20 players, but it can't be less. The rest is correct.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Saying there is an absence of competition is innacurate. All Nikitin has to say if you don't meet my salary demands, I test free agency on July 1. And there is the competition.
Quality defenseman are in demand, that elevates the market.

- MJL


It seems like almost any defenseman that can adequately skate backwards is in demand.

If I were Erik Gustafsson, I'd have left for the KHL too.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Are there any #1 goalie spots left?
I know there are 8-9 teams that need backups.

Love Ray but think his days of being the everyday starter are done.

- Marc D


Depends what you mean. There are some teams like Buffalo and Calgary that have a #1 guy, but those guys would be backups on other teams.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Just like AMac, it's just what one team was willing to (over)pay a guy, in the absence of any competition.

We'll have to wait until post July 1 before drawing any real conclusions. I suspect that we'll see some very good guys end up having to take relative peanuts because several guys like Nikitin broke the bank first.

- Tomahawk



Just because ONE team signs a guy to that price (prior to true UFA) doesnt mean that he is worth that.

But I have a feeling that Edm really believes he can get back to 2011-2012 form. Then he would be worth it.
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