He was their 7th guy in terms of TOI/G. But he'll probably be a second pairing guy in Edmonton.
- Feanor

Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?

I'm honestly interested in any answer that's not rooted in some weird fetish about how good someone was or was not in junior hockey (you know who you all are).

Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?

I'm honestly interested in any answer that's not rooted in some weird fetish about how good someone was or was not in junior hockey (you know who you all are).
- johndewar

Just because a team paid him $4.5 doesnt mean he is worth $4.5, or will live up to that contract.

RE: Jeff Finger.

Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?

I'm honestly interested in any answer that's not rooted in some weird fetish about how good someone was or was not in junior hockey (you know who you all are).
- johndewar

Among other things - look at term.

I think it's a combination of Oilers having a lot of money to spend and needing some added "veteran" defense.

5.8 Mil for Callahan. Cracked 50 points one time in his career.
- aightwebang17

but leadership

but leadership
- BulliesPhan87

don't forget his glue.

So it seems more and more likely that Emery is gone. At the very least I think he's going to be hitting UFA to see what's out there.

I think Setoguchi could be a really solid acquisition... He has a ton of speed on the wing and can pot goals in bunches.. Its been a tough few seasons for him, but he is still young and his speed is still way above average.

Brennan is intriguing for a few reason.. One, he is a local kid. Two, I saw him at Ice Works not too long ago.. CRAZY shot. Three, I really think he could be a late bloomer. decent size, good skating, good offensive game... hopefully he can make a NHL career out of it..
- jak521

Yeah. Plus they are guys that if they play well can be kept around with the growing core as they both are young vets.

Among other things - look at term.
- wilsonecho91

MacDonald is a year younger and more accomplished at the NHL level.

2 years at 4.5 AAV for a guy who barely played makes MacDonald seem underpaid.

So it seems more and more likely that Emery is gone. At the very least I think he's going to be hitting UFA to see what's out there.
- FlyersGrace

I am ok with that. I want Thomas Griess or maybe Al Montoya. Not expensive but can still play 15 games if needed.

don't forget his glue.
- twotoekenn

and his truckulence

and his truckulence
- BulliesPhan87

glue, leadership, truculence = 6 for 6

glue, leadership, truculence = 6 for 6
- twotoekenn

yEP. Great signing for TB and Stevie Y.

If it was Philly that made this deal the headlines would be Philly overpays for another grinder.

Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?

I'm honestly interested in any answer that's not rooted in some weird fetish about how good someone was or was not in junior hockey (you know who you all are).
- johndewar

It's all about the narrative from certain sources that the Flyers sign bad deals and sign and acquire the wrong players.

Just because a team paid him $4.5 doesnt mean he is worth $4.5, or will live up to that contract.

RE: Jeff Finger.
- jak521

There's never any guarantee that any player will live up to a contract no matter how big or small. NHL GM's and player agents know what the market is for players. It's really some of the fans who haven't kept pace.

MacDonald is a year younger and more accomplished at the NHL level.

2 years at 4.5 AAV for a guy who barely played makes MacDonald seem underpaid.
- johndewar

If we need to point to this deal by the Oilers to make ourselves better accept the MaC deal, that's not a great sign.

Can someone explain how this dude is worth 4.5 AAV and yet, we whine and female dog about Andrew MacDonald's contract?

I'm honestly interested in any answer that's not rooted in some weird fetish about how good someone was or was not in junior hockey (you know who you all are).
- johndewar

I'd much rather have AMac.
Two yrs vs five is a factor in the contract though

here we go!!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
yeah
FORWARDS
Jarome Iginla ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.900m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,083,333; BONUSES: $1,712,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,016,667

Trade Vinny, Grossman and Coburn and sign Iginla, Nabokov and Boyle. Recall Laughton, Bellemaire and Straka. I know they all probably won't be recalled, but Laughton should be on the flyers next year.

here we go!!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
yeah
FORWARDS
Jarome Iginla ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.900m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,083,333; BONUSES: $1,712,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,016,667

Trade Vinny, Grossman and Coburn and sign Iginla, Nabokov and Boyle. Recall Laughton, Bellemaire and Straka. I know they all probably won't be recalled, but Laughton should be on the flyers next year.
- flyersfan51

I don't think Iginla is getting 6 million and if he wanted that I am looking at something else.

So it seems more and more likely that Emery is gone. At the very least I think he's going to be hitting UFA to see what's out there.
- FlyersGrace

Do you say this because nothing has been done with him yet, or is there something else?

Now that Schenn is signed I think they have to address the back up goalie.

but leadership
- BulliesPhan87

"Skates hard."

here we go!!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
yeah
FORWARDS
Jarome Iginla ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.900m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($5.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Evgeni Nabokov ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,083,333; BONUSES: $1,712,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,016,667

Trade Vinny, Grossman and Coburn and sign Iginla, Nabokov and Boyle. Recall Laughton, Bellemaire and Straka. I know they all probably won't be recalled, but Laughton should be on the flyers next year.
- flyersfan51

Can't use that roster and maximize the LTIR cap space for Pronger due to the roster limit of 20 players.

I am curious what Stastny and O'Reilly will want now that Callahan got 5.8. Must be thinking


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If we need to point to this deal by the Oilers to make ourselves better accept the MaC deal, that's not a great sign.
- wilsonecho91

How else do you want to view it other than by comparing it to other players' salaries signed around the same time period (to adjust for the cap/market)?

moving right along