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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:31 AM ET
imo he and ryan lambert should play a rousing game of "shut up and go away"
- BulliesPhan87


I look forward to Proteau's future managing a Tim Horton's and sucking at local open mic nights.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
But Mr. _man, don't you understand? He is hip and edgy and clever, and jives with the youth of today.

Oh wait, no, I lied. He's a douche bag.

- BulliesPhan87


That is the definition of douchebag, no? At least with 'the youth of today' added.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
I don't care about the money he makes or his natural position if his production is going to continue the way it's been the last 2 years. Heck, I'll play wing for one year for the league minimum, but it doesn't mean I should be on Giroux's wing.
- jmatchett383



You have to care about the money. It is only way to move Vinny. Either money matches or your eating money. Your not going to get a high end player or top prospect or high picks so the deal works. Its also one year so after this year you let him walk.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:35 AM ET
I look forward to Proteau's future managing a Tim Horton's and sucking at local open mic nights.
- johndewar

These guys will always be "edgy" enough to get the attention to stay in hockey "writing". Click bait works.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
I look forward to Proteau's future managing a Tim Horton's and sucking at local open mic nights.
- johndewar


While I agree he's a tool, this is now the 5th long-term contract the Flyers have rid themselves of in 4 years (6 if Vinny moves). Do you think that may discourage other players like Couturier/Schenn/etc. from signing long-term extensions, or UFA's may be discouraged from signing as free agents?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:37 AM ET
While I agree he's a tool, this is now the 5th long-term contract the Flyers have rid themselves of in 4 years (6 if Vinny moves). Do you think that may discourage other players like Couturier/Schenn/etc. from signing long-term extensions, or UFA's may be discouraged from signing as free agents?
- jmatchett383



It may or may not, but the thought will certainly cross minds.....
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:37 AM ET
You have to care about the money. It is only way to move Vinny. Either money matches or your eating money. Your not going to get a high end player or top prospect or high picks so the deal works. Its also one year so after this year you let him walk.
- J35Bacher


The point is, I don't think Flieschman is anything close to a top-line winger. In fact, at this point, I'm not even sure what his role is.
ukeman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Yakety Sax, PA
Joined: 06.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:37 AM ET
While I agree he's a tool, this is now the 5th long-term contract the Flyers have rid themselves of in 4 years (6 if Vinny moves). Do you think that may discourage other players like Couturier/Schenn/etc. from signing long-term extensions, or UFA's may be discouraged from signing as free agents?
- jmatchett383

Nope.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
That is the definition of douchebag, no? At least with 'the youth of today' added.
- tangent_man

Honestly, I don't even know what I'm typing. I'm just pouring my disdain for what his does onto my keyboard, and words happened to be the result.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
While I agree he's a tool, this is now the 5th long-term contract the Flyers have rid themselves of in 4 years (6 if Vinny moves). Do you think that may discourage other players like Couturier/Schenn/etc. from signing long-term extensions, or UFA's may be discouraged from signing as free agents?
- jmatchett383


I think you just won't see that many long term contracts anymore.

Whether here or elsewhere.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:40 AM ET
Honestly, I don't even know what I'm typing. I'm just pouring my disdain for what his does onto my keyboard, and words happened to be the result.
- BulliesPhan87


That makes all of us.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:41 AM ET
While I agree he's a tool, this is now the 5th long-term contract the Flyers have rid themselves of in 4 years (6 if Vinny moves). Do you think that may discourage other players like Couturier/Schenn/etc. from signing long-term extensions, or UFA's may be discouraged from signing as free agents?
- jmatchett383



With half the league seemingly locked down to long-term deals, it's kind of inevitable to see guys either freshly signed or in the middle of long deals getting pushed out now.

If I were a highly sought after UFA, and I was weighing the risks of signing w/ Philly, I'd be much more worried that they seem to lock the wrong guys into long-term deals in the first place, versus them correcting those mistakes after the fact and reneging on the spirit of those contracts.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
That makes all of us.
- tangent_man

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:44 AM ET

- BulliesPhan87

I love this show so much
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
I don't have a problem with veteran players. I'm saying that the Flyers have been foolish and short-sighted signing them to long term contacts. And I don't think I'm out of line saying that the Flyers could have been more patient with JVR and Bob.
- Dkos


I don't think you are either. My only point is that I think that the Flyers have made an obvious organizational shift to be more patient and stick with a core group of players, a number of years ago. So I don't think anything Hextall is doing or has done, indicates any radical change in the team's philosophy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:46 AM ET
I know. And it was a steep price coughing up Umberger
- Just5


It's about need and fit. One contract that doesn't work for one team, works for another. And apparently there were other teams interested in Hartnell.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:46 AM ET
I love this show so much
- JAKEw1234

My favorite episode is all of them. Don't even trip, dawg.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:47 AM ET
since when did the whole nhl community find Hartnell as a top line stud?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:51 AM ET
since when did the whole nhl community find Hartnell as a top line stud?
- Winning


Including half the people in here apparently.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:53 AM ET
since when did the whole nhl community find Hartnell as a top line stud?
- Winning


Probably when he scored 30+ goals for the first time despite not being given top-line ice time.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:53 AM ET
My favorite episode is all of them. Don't even trip, dawg.
- BulliesPhan87

-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:56 AM ET
since when did the whole nhl community find Hartnell as a top line stud?
- Winning



the moment the news broke
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 24 @ 12:03 PM ET
Hartnell had ONE even strength goal in his last 29 playoff games.
That's not bad, that's AWFUL.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 24 @ 12:09 PM ET
Hartnell had ONE even strength goal in his last 29 playoff games.
That's not bad, that's AWFUL.

- Winning


Sidney Crosby only had 1 ES goal in his last 18 playoff games. He's slightly less awful than Hartnell.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 24 @ 12:09 PM ET

- JAKEw1234

It's a figure of speech, Morty. They're bureaucrats, I don't respect them.
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