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AvsFanYeaa
Colorado Avalanche
Location: MN
Joined: 07.05.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:37 PM ET
Just a random shot...

O'Reilly - Duchene - McGinn
Landeskog - Stastny - MacKinnon
Tanguay - Mitchell - Bourque
Winnik - Talbot - McLeod

Hishon
Bordeleau


Niskanen - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
Holden - Emelin

Guenin

Something like PAP, Elliott, Wilson for Bourque, Emelin and a late pick. I don't really think the Avs will get Niskanen, but this offseason is huge for Colorado. That is for sure. Not going to be a fun day if Stastny walks. At least we know we will have O'Reilly or we will get some damn good pieces for him.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 23 @ 9:38 PM ET
Maybe he is like Orpik and doesn't want to stay there?
- ZzHockey


I think its a really good chance that we sign Nisk, I think that fact that he played in the Western Conference with Dallas and is used to the schedule and travel that it won't be shock for him.

Hes young enough to invest the long term into him, just can't be going over 4-5 years. EJ and Barrie contracts will be coming into play by then
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 23 @ 9:39 PM ET
Just a random shot...

O'Reilly - Duchene - McGinn
Landeskog - Stastny - MacKinnon
Tanguay - Mitchell - Bourque
Winnik - Talbot - McLeod

Hishon
Bordeleau


Niskanen - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
Holden - Emelin

Guenin

Something like PAP, Elliott, Wilson for Bourque, Emelin and a late pick. I don't really think the Avs will get Niskanen, but this offseason is huge for Colorado. That is for sure. Not going to be a fun day if Stastny walks. At least we know we will have O'Reilly or we will get some damn good pieces for him.

- AvsFanYeaa


I would build a shrine in your image if thats what our offseason nets us.
Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:39 PM ET
Maybe he is like Orpik and doesn't want to stay there?
- ZzHockey


With Orpik it is the team that has decided to move on.
AvsFanYeaa
Colorado Avalanche
Location: MN
Joined: 07.05.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:45 PM ET
I would build a shrine in your image if thats what our offseason nets us.
- DDM-Coga


I would accept it graciously. I really want Winnik back. Great depth guy with great possession.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 23 @ 9:47 PM ET
I would accept it graciously. I really want Winnik back. Great depth guy with great possession.
- AvsFanYeaa


I was always a fan of him too, but I think he has earned himself more than 4th line minutes. But he jumps up instantly as soon as Tang is injured. We need depth like that to really compete.
goavsgo10
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Landeskoging, NY
Joined: 02.14.2010

Jun 23 @ 9:49 PM ET
I was always a fan of him too, but I think he has earned himself more than 4th line minutes. But he jumps up instantly as soon as Tang is injured. We need depth like that to really compete.
- DDM-Coga

I'm all for giving Mueller or Winnik a shot. Mueller intrigues me because when he was healthy, he could flat out play.
ZzHockey
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 06.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 9:49 PM ET
Just a random shot...

O'Reilly - Duchene - McGinn
Landeskog - Stastny - MacKinnon
Tanguay - Mitchell - Bourque
Winnik - Talbot - McLeod

Hishon
Bordeleau


Niskanen - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
Holden - Emelin

Guenin

Something like PAP, Elliott, Wilson for Bourque, Emelin and a late pick. I don't really think the Avs will get Niskanen, but this offseason is huge for Colorado. That is for sure. Not going to be a fun day if Stastny walks. At least we know we will have O'Reilly or we will get some damn good pieces for him.

- AvsFanYeaa



if that was our offseason - I would find Joe Sakic and kiss his feet... Legit
ZzHockey
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 06.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 9:51 PM ET
I'm all for giving Mueller or Winnik a shot. Mueller intrigues me because when he was healthy, he could flat out play.
- goavsgo10


When Mueller was healthy him an Duchene were great together. It is a matter of being sure he is healthy. I don't want to sign a player that maybe a waste of money.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 23 @ 9:55 PM ET
I'm all for giving Mueller or Winnik a shot. Mueller intrigues me because when he was healthy, he could flat out play.
- goavsgo10


I like the idea of him not he PP over PAP. Guy still has a cannon of a one timer from the RHS. He had a healthy and productive stint in the Swiss league, I don't see it being a bad idea
Avsprofit
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.19.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
Why do people have mcginn penciled in as our top line winger. I understand he moved up and played well during a few times last season but he's far from a top line winger. I like the mueller idea, we seem to have good luck with cheap finds that others let go. I have faith in Sakic and Roy but I really hope this salary structure doesn't have a negative effect on the team. If we don't resign stas and orielly isn't signed and gets traded for pieces that don't work out and varly comes back to earth and our D plays like they did giving up more shots than the opposition every night we could be on the outside looking in again. Out season finish was a lot better than what we actually are. We can't expect the same without makeing changes. I fully expect to take a step back next season. Our division and conference is just that tough. No way we win the division, Just how far back a step is the question. Anyone agree?
ZzHockey
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 06.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:34 PM ET
Why do people have mcginn penciled in as our top line winger. I understand he moved up and played well during a few times last season but he's far from a top line winger. I like the mueller idea, we seem to have good luck with cheap finds that others let go. I have faith in Sakic and Roy but I really hope this salary structure doesn't have a negative effect on the team. If we don't resign stas and orielly isn't signed and gets traded for pieces that don't work out and varly comes back to earth and our D plays like they did giving up more shots than the opposition every night we could be on the outside looking in again. Out season finish was a lot better than what we actually are. We can't expect the same without makeing changes. I fully expect to take a step back next season. Our division and conference is just that tough. No way we win the division, Just how far back a step is the question. Anyone agree?
- Avsprofit


After the turn around in Varly he played to a level he is capable of. Roy will NOT play him if he starts to play horrible. Even the seasons before it was not Varly playing bad "most" of the time, it was a poor D. With a D that made huge strides this past season we are looking to build on that. Establishing a D will be vital in the Avalanche going back to the Post-Season. I agree, McGinn is NOT a top 6 forward, although he can step into that role as needed, however, when you only have in my eyes 2 top 4 wingers and one that can take on a little bit of that you have to give him the role.

Now if we add a top 4 winger or 2 I could most certainly see McGinn dropping down the ranks.

Chicago is going to be a contender for Central every year until Toews, Kane, Keith and Crawford leave. St. Louis on the other hand traded Halak their "#1" and basically gave up assets for Ryan Miller, by saying he is not coming back, resigning Elliott and added young kid Jake Allen. With these two I do not see St. Louis being a huge threat, they started to fall off the band wagon after we beat them in the last game between the two clubs. Although they have a great group, I feel their goaltending just took a hit. The team that scares the crap out of me, especially if they pick up, lets say.. Hiller - would be Minnesota. Winnipeg without a goalie, eh, kind of iffy there and Dallas...I feel the same with them as I do Winnipeg.

There is a lot to look forward to here, I see the Avs have interest in a possible veteran goalie to back up Varly. I would love to see our Kids come up, Pickard or Aittokallio but that pushes us back in progress at goal. So a few good D, smart forwards (wingers) and a solid vet (lose Berra) and we should contend for a top 3 stop in the central again.

If we miss some big fish by waiting on Stastny then it can be an entirely different story. especially is he leaves...
artem791
Colorado Avalanche
Location: saint catharines, ON
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:26 AM ET
To the dude above who is suggesting Emelin and to all the guys who think it's a good idea, your all off your rockers!

With the Avs playing a upbeat and fast tempo game, the last thing we need is a defenseman who's lack of speed/skating was put in the spotlight, Kreider continued to blow past Emelin in the playoffs and had a few goals on his own alone.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jun 24 @ 1:28 AM ET
Stastny and Niskanen, assuming they make it to FA, are two of the biggest catches out there this year. Niskanen will be handsomely compensated.

If you're looking for more dollars to play with why not let Stastny walk and pump that money straight into D.

Plenty of young options at center. Go for a solid veteran affordable third line center. Stastny will want money and term and will see huge offers at FA. The term could be very long. Two years from now MacKinnon will be better than Duchene.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:10 AM ET
Niskanen will get closer to 7M than he will 3.5M

And I'm not sure I'm a fan of you cutting me from the team.

- Ryan_Wilson


I was waiting for someone to say this.
The guy is looking to cash out as arguably the top FA D-man available, why would he take about 2-3 mil per below what he can command on the open market.

I bet he gets a 6 year/32.5 million deal (5.5 per)
goavsgo10
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Landeskoging, NY
Joined: 02.14.2010

Jun 24 @ 2:13 AM ET
St.Louis is the only team I see Stastny going to if he doesn't resign. Which would be a nightmare.....
Steve-B
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 24 @ 2:15 AM ET
Stastny and Niskanen, assuming they make it to FA, are two of the biggest catches out there this year. Niskanen will be handsomely compensated.

If you're looking for more dollars to play with why not let Stastny walk and pump that money straight into D.

Plenty of young options at center. Go for a solid veteran affordable third line center. Stastny will want money and term and will see huge offers at FA. The term could be very long. Two years from now MacKinnon will be better than Duchene.

- Blazed


Pump our money into what D? How many top pairing guys are available in free-agency? ZERO

Also...

Niskanen is right handed, had a single breakout season on the right side, and you all want to give him 5M or more a year?



Barrie in my mind moves ahead of Johnson - this kid is going to be dynamic.


Really? Barrie isn't nearly as good as EJ defensively, and you're going to have EJ play the defensive role on the left side against other teams top lines? Playing on the off-side makes the defensive aspect of the game for a defender much more difficult. Defenders play on their off-side on the power play. Why? Because the only thing that's good for is creating offense.

There are almost zero stay at home defenders who play both sides of the ice equally well.

As far as the write up over all? What exactly is the point of talking about Stastny and O'Reilly signing for 10M combined, and then stating 'Not that this would happen'? After that you go on to base your entire roster off of those and other unrealistic signings with that caveat as a safety net for criticism.

Why would Niskanen sign for 3.5M, when A. MacDonald just signed for 5M in Philly? Matt Carle signed years ago in Tampa for 5.5M. Dennis Wideman signed in Calgary for 5.25M with a no trade clause. Sure, Niskanen will sign for 3.5M though.

You do also realize that O'Reilly cannot have his salary dropped more than 15% of his current salary? Which means he can get no less than 5.5M per year in arbitration. It's not even remotely likely he signs for less than the least he can get in arbitration.

This is a mix of pure fantasy and bad information.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:18 AM ET
Just a random shot...

O'Reilly - Duchene - McGinn
Landeskog - Stastny - MacKinnon
Tanguay - Mitchell - Bourque
Winnik - Talbot - McLeod

Hishon
Bordeleau


Niskanen - Johnson
Hejda - Barrie
Holden - Emelin

Guenin


- AvsFanYeaa


This would probably push the avs right against the cap. Stastny,ROR,Barrie and Niskanen are gonna cost 20-22 million. The habs trade adds an extra 1.25.
Winnik should get around 2. They only have 23 mil in space...
goavsgo10
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Landeskoging, NY
Joined: 02.14.2010

Jun 24 @ 6:42 AM ET
Avs should be patient on defense. We have Bigras, Elliott, and Seimens still in the cupboard. Also, while Wilson was BRUTAL last year, he was plagued by injuries from the get go. I think he could have a bounce back year.

Doesn't make much sense to sign a big fish like nisk who will probably command around 6m. (Another team WILL pay him that) That would really limit the avs cap wise in the future. In a perfect world we would trade ROR for defensive help. One option that comes to mind is Yandle in Arizona. Obviously there would have to be tweaking but ROR for Yandle isn't a bad starting point.

Also avs really gotta resign Stastny. I think the avs have given him a number and he is going to see what else is out there. At that point he will have to decide to either take the hometown discount and by into the structure, or take the money and run.

Lastly, I'm all for Coga's idea in signing Peter Mueller. He scored 46 points in 49 games in the swiss league while making 1.7m. He's a good depth guy that is able to slide up and down the lineup that could be had for a very modest 2m.

How I'd like things to shake out:

PAP-Duchene-Tangs (PAP is another bounce back candidate, with McGinn/Mueller sliding up if he doesn't produce)
Mack-Statsny-Landeskog
Mueller-Mitchell-McGinn
Bordy/UFA-Talbot-Mcleod


Yandle-Johnson
Barrie-Hejda
Holden-Bigras/Wilson/Elliott/Seimens(All depends on who performs at training camp, we've been surprised before)


Varlamov
Berra

For the record, the Berra trade still gives me fits. That being said, the Varlamov trade was questionable up until last season...feel pretty good about it now.


GOAVSGO
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Jun 24 @ 8:16 AM ET
St.Louis is the only team I see Stastny going to if he doesn't resign. Which would be a nightmare.....
- goavsgo10

I would love it.

WhatAboutBawb
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 24 @ 9:31 AM ET
I would love it.


- carcus

Stastny centering for Oshie and Vladdy would be fantastic. :-)

DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:51 AM ET
Stastny centering for Oshie and Vladdy would be fantastic. :-)
- WhatAboutBawb


you mean trading oshie for ROR
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:52 AM ET
This would probably push the avs right against the cap. Stastny,ROR,Barrie and Niskanen are gonna cost 20-22 million. The habs trade adds an extra 1.25.
Winnik should get around 2. They only have 23 mil in space...

- GardinerExpress


quiet you
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:56 AM ET
Avs should be patient on defense. We have Bigras, Elliott, and Seimens still in the cupboard. Also, while Wilson was BRUTAL last year, he was plagued by injuries from the get go. I think he could have a bounce back year.

Doesn't make much sense to sign a big fish like nisk who will probably command around 6m. (Another team WILL pay him that) That would really limit the avs cap wise in the future. In a perfect world we would trade ROR for defensive help. One option that comes to mind is Yandle in Arizona. Obviously there would have to be tweaking but ROR for Yandle isn't a bad starting point.

Also avs really gotta resign Stastny. I think the avs have given him a number and he is going to see what else is out there. At that point he will have to decide to either take the hometown discount and by into the structure, or take the money and run.

Lastly, I'm all for Coga's idea in signing Peter Mueller. He scored 46 points in 49 games in the swiss league while making 1.7m. He's a good depth guy that is able to slide up and down the lineup that could be had for a very modest 2m.

How I'd like things to shake out:

PAP-Duchene-Tangs (PAP is another bounce back candidate, with McGinn/Mueller sliding up if he doesn't produce)
Mack-Statsny-Landeskog
Mueller-Mitchell-McGinn
Bordy/UFA-Talbot-Mcleod


Yandle-Johnson
Barrie-Hejda
Holden-Bigras/Wilson/Elliott/Seimens(All depends on who performs at training camp, we've been surprised before)


Varlamov
Berra

For the record, the Berra trade still gives me fits. That being said, the Varlamov trade was questionable up until last season...feel pretty good about it now.


GOAVSGO

- goavsgo10


I think I am the minority here and think if we trade ROR that would rather go Forward over Dman. Duchene hasnt had a consistent winger in his career here. ROR finally could be that guy, but if he is move for his contract.

Lets try and get that guy to ride shot gun with Dutch and just hope that Seimens/Bigras/Elliot start to make huge strides...I dont mind Roy saying he would rather build our core from withthin. Max deals I would want to see spend on a dman in UFA is 4-5m for 4 years. If Stralman wants to take a 4x4...bring him along.
WhatAboutBawb
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 24 @ 9:58 AM ET
you mean trading oshie for ROR
- DDM-Coga


Haha. We need to unload Berglund. Make us an offer.
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