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dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
Figures, I'm wearing my Hartnell Down shirt
- Jsaquella


Looks like you need a Hartnell Gone shirt now.

I'm sitting here just repeating "what in the hell" over and over. This makes no sense to me, unless Hextall's going to trade Schenn and is afraid to lose the C depth.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
yeah. that alone makes this trade a win for you guys.
- stayinthefnnet

that's all I have too

I'd prefer Hartnell but not for FIVE more years
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
My visceral reaction is that I hate this trade.
- johndewar


it sucks to see hartnell go i guess as a fan. likeable guy and all that. but why?

is it confirmed if columbus is eating any of RJs salary or not?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
My visceral reaction is that I hate this trade.
- johndewar



Wait until you find out that 'lumbus ate half of Umberger's salary.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Oh now everyone loves Hartnell.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
My visceral reaction is that I hate this trade.
- johndewar


I need to sit down and think about this one. I feel dizzy.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Maybe the jackets are eating salary?

Otherwise, this is a horrible trade.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
So Holmgren is still calling the shots. WTF is this?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Oh now everyone loves Hartnell.
- hereticpride


J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
I love the deal. Got a pick out of it in 2015 supposed to be great draft. Also Umberger plays lots of wing and can play with couturier and read as a legit shutdown line with offenseive capabilities.

If he can move Vinny now? WOW
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
I love the deal. Got a pick out of it in 2015 supposed to be great draft. Also Umberger plays lots of wing and can play with couturier and read as a legit shutdown line with offenseive capabilities.

If he can move Vinny now? WOW
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Maybe the jackets are eating salary?

Otherwise, this is a horrible trade.

- Giroux_Is_God


WHAT THE (frank) JUST HAPPENED
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
Oh now everyone loves Hartnell.
- hereticpride


stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
that's all I have too

I'd prefer Hartnell but not for FIVE more years

- Marc D

yeah. right now, hartnell may be the better player, but he is going down fast.

he would have been harder to move with each passing year. this is a slight step down in order to essentially free yourselves of those last 2 years. aggressive, and objectively like it.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
So Holmgren is still calling the shots. WTF is this?
- PLindbergh31



One potential albatross out... three more to go.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
THE (frank)!?!?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Wait until you find out that 'lumbus ate half of Umberger's salary.
- Tomahawk


stop god please no this is bad enough already.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Hate this trade.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Oh now everyone loves Hartnell.
- hereticpride


I don't think people love Hartnell, but he's a better player than Umberger. Doesn't make much sense. Perhaps it's the pre-cursor to a flurry of moves.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:11 PM ET
Oh now everyone loves Hartnell.
- hereticpride

I always loved Hartsy
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:11 PM ET
I love the deal. Got a pick out of it in 2015 supposed to be great draft. Also Umberger plays lots of wing and can play with couturier and read as a legit shutdown line with offenseive capabilities.

If he can move Vinny now? WOW

- J35Bacher

Ok dude first off the term "deep draft" is irrelevant after round 3

I guess if they go the RJ third line route, read is bumped to line 1?

2 less years is nice.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 12:11 PM ET
One potential albatross out... three more to go.
- Tomahawk


Yeah, but Umberger is older and has the same cap hit. Idk don't really care for this trade. Only benefit is Hartnell has more years left on his deal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:12 PM ET
This is a bad deal. Umberger was a scratch for Columbus. This would be like the Flyers trading VL for a much more productive player who is signed a little longer.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:12 PM ET


It's official Giroux will be traded in minutes

or Coots
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:12 PM ET
yeah. right now, hartnell may be the better player, but he is going down fast.

he would have been harder to move with each passing year. this is a slight step down in order to essentially free yourselves of those last 2 years. aggressive, and objectively like it.

- stayinthefnnet

Sounds like the initial reaction from Flyers fans is bad. I love it. Hartnell was up and down the lineup under Berube. Mostly down. It seemed Berube tried to make him play a more reserved game and it just wasnt working out.

Getting out of that contract alone is huge. Getting a guy like Umberger to step in his place for two years is just gravy.
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