The financials would surely be ridiculous but man, would I love to see that guy in a Flyers jersey.
- Scoob

Umberger for Subban?

I don't see Hartnell fitting in there for too long either, which must be worrisome if you're a Jackets fan.

Foligno's gone soon, but they just signed Simon Hjalmarsson and Bjorkstrand/Rychel could potentially win spots, and Jenner and Calvert/Atkinson aren't going anywhere.

Chances are high that they could be stuck w/ a $4.75M 4th-line plug in the near future.
- Tomahawk

hartnell will be a 3rd lin player there

Clearly hartnell was traded to prove this point to VL
- funmaster18

The old shot across the bow?

this is a good day - we actually found a team to take Hartnell's terrible lengthy contract! and got better defensively and much less stupid penalties.

now if we can only get Vanek to play with Giroux!
- MrBigglesworth

How about Vrbata at a lower cost and better defensively?

well, thats only a fall back.

the real pipe dream is the lovely world of sports agency.

that will likely not be feasible.

and there will always be ambulances. so, you do the math about the prognosis of our future.
- stayinthefnnet

And I'm envisioning massive amounts of blackmail, insurance fraud, and a small amount of "work."

Umberger for Subban?
- jmatchett383

He did kill the Habs in that one series years ago, they'd probably take that deal.

How about Vrbata at a lower cost and better defensively?
- nails

No, too much sense making.

I replied to their post umpteen pages ago.
- JoeRussomanno

which pages is that, I can't count that high

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And I'm envisioning massive amounts of blackmail, insurance fraud, and a small amount of "work."
- jmatchett383

nah. youre going to be the head of the IT department.

The financials would surely be ridiculous but man, would I love to see that guy in a Flyers jersey.
- Scoob

I don't mean this in any mean way at all but imagine the Flyers with Simmonds, Emery and Subban. That would have to be the most brothers on one team ever. I actually think it would be awesome

nah. youre going to be the head of the IT department.
- stayinthefnnet

IT? You're screwed.

The old shot across the bow?
- Tomahawk

direct hit

Silver lining? NTC/NMC's are not as iron-clad as people make them out to be. I'm looking at you, Vinny.
- steelydan

If we didnt sign him wouldnt pursuing niskanen this offseason be a reality?

I don't see Hartnell fitting in there for too long either, which must be worrisome if you're a Jackets fan.

Foligno's gone soon, but they just signed Simon Hjalmarsson and Bjorkstrand/Rychel could potentially win spots, and Jenner and Calvert/Atkinson aren't going anywhere.

Chances are high that they could be stuck w/ a $4.75M 4th-line plug in the near future.
- Tomahawk

Well, his NMC is no longer applicable in Columbus (I believe), so it's not like they're really 'stuck' with him.

I'm sure someone knows the reality of the NMC thingy, and will be more than happy to educate me.

IT? You're screwed.
- jmatchett383

ugh fine. we just wont have one then, because i certainly am not (frank)ing with that stuff.

Let’s take a trip back in time to the most recent, major trades that occurred on June 23rd:

June 23, 2011 – Flyers trade Jeff Carter to the Columbus Blue Jackets in exchange for Jakub Voracek, the eight pick in the 2011 NHL Draft (Sean Couturier) , and a third round pick (Nick Cousins)
June 23, 2011 – Flyers trade Mike Richards to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Wayne Simmonds, and Brayden Schenn
June 23, 2012 – Flyers trade James van Reimsdyk to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Luke Schenn
June 23, 2014 – Flyers trade Scott Hartnell to the Columbus Blue Jackets in exchange for R.J. Umberger and a fourth round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft

form broad treet LOL

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- PhillaBully

This actually makes a bit of sense.

Look at the Kings. They have 4 lines all defensivly responsible. They all skate and play the system to a "T". Does anyone think that Hextall is trying to model that? Umberger fits the need of skating and solid D. Versatile. We need to see what else happens before we start calling for Hextalls head already

Umberger for Subban?
- jmatchett383

This actually makes a bit of sense.
- johndewar

I bet he saw that he wasn't going to be the cog for Berube like he was for lavy

This actually makes a bit of sense.
- johndewar

Why?

I guess he really doesn't like Hextall and/or Roob

FWIW, here is my take on the Hartnell deal:

First some facts, over the last 2 seasons Hartnell's aggregate stats are:
GP: 110 out of 130
G: 28, 13 on the pp, only 15 at ES
A: 35, 12 on the pp, 23 at ES
PTS: 63, 25 on the pp, 38 at ES

These numbers over 82 games average out to:
21 goals, 27 assists, 48 points.

For a guy who mainly plays with Giroux and Jake and sees heavy duty pp time, those are mediocre numbers.

Is Hartnell a better offensive player than Umberger? Yes
Is Umberger better defensively and more versatile? Yes

Now, if Hartnell only had 2 or 3 years on his deal left, I would hate this trade; but, since he has 5 years left, I can live with it. I certainly don't love it, but I can live with it.
- BiggE

yes

im not going to trot out stats or anything like this board is prone to battle over. just simply watching hartnell, there were troubling signs. his inability to get into the zone killed a ton of would be rushes for giroux. many of his shots appeared to be of the weaker, further away variety. he seemed to set up mainly in the slot more and hope that giroux could plant one on his stick as opposed to going to the gritty areas that made him as a player.

defensively, he was slipping all the more. bumping him down to the second would have been rough if it forced him and simmonds to be on the same line. simmonds is meh defensively too, but he at least brings now all of the things that hartnell used to to cancel it out.

harts still had SOME value for sure, but given the trend in performance coupled with his deal, it was going to turn hellacious fairly soon. i'm with you though in that maybe they shouldnt have even included umberger in the deal at all if need be.
- stayinthefnnet

You nailed it. There is a huge difference between Hartnell of 3 years ago and the Hartnell now. Post Jagr, post new contract, post injury and post-Berube, he was simply not the same player we associate with that name, in both style of play and production. And the slope of the downward trend was very alarming. I was shocked to learn Hartnell did not have an injury after seeing him play in the Rangers series.

I think this trade means we now have, for the same salary (still too high) and less years (and thus more tradeable), maybe say 80% of the departed player in terms of offensive production (which is 2nd/3rd line) and one who will be twice as much defensively responsible, and an acknowledgement that the 1st line LW job is open, instead of trying to jam Hartnell in that position.

As for Hartnell being popular, he was the player most wanted out, according to the philly.com survey (almost 80% wanted him gone, and this was by far the worst numbers, worse even than VL).

nah. youre going to be the head of the IT department.
- stayinthefnnet

I would like a moderately high paying, very low responsibility position pls. Like, if you could pay me to just post on hockeybuzz all day, that'd be grand.