Attention advanced stats guys:

What do the stats say about Umberger Vs Hartnell?

Is this Hexy using advance stats in a trade to "upgrade" the team?

Yeah, I think he had the names switched around.
- jmatchett383

I'm not even sure if I would have been happy with VL for Umberger. This deal is just terrible.

Kind of blown away by this, because I can't possibly see how Umberger is superior to Hartnell in every facet of the game.
- MJL

He's superior at having a name that's similar to cheeseburger

we can't buy hartsy or anyone out. we used our two. why don't people get that!
- arichardson22

I think he means a regular buyout, not a CBO.

Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl 40s

I can't rationalize this on what we know. Maybe Hartnell begged for a trade. Maybe the Flyers wanted him gone. Maybe....just maybe.

LOL

Bye hartsy i will be one of those that misses ya. I'll never forget how you smashed out sean avery, stood up to paul gaustad, took. Slash to the ankle and got up to score a goal in the finals. A true flyer through and through.

As for this trade it makes little sense but hopefully umberger is invigorated playing back here. For now ill keep hoping im wrong about the good ol'boy club of the front office.

we can't buy hartsy or anyone out. we used our two. why don't people get that!
- arichardson22

We have no compliance buyouts. Doesn't mean we can't use regular buyouts. I wouldn't want to, but we do have that ability.

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 43s

This is a huge lift off #CBJ GM Kekalainen. Club was contemplating a compliance buyout on Umberger if they couldn't move him before draft.

WE JUST TRADED A 30 goal scorer for a player about to be bought out
- Winning

He's superior at having a name that's similar to cheeseburger
- funmaster18

He's superior at getting laid out at the blueline.

No mention that he barely scratched 20 this year riding G's coattails and a ridiculous amount of PP time...
- Tomahawk

again. this will increase giroux's numbers.

the only thing i see is that rj is more d sound and has a better set of wheels?
- mydoglicks

They're comparable goal-scorers.

Attention advanced stats guys:

What do the stats say about Umberger Vs Hartnell?

Is this Hexy using advance stats in a trade to "upgrade" the team?
- ggunky

Hartnell Fancy stats >>>>>>>>>>>>> Umberger Fancy Stats

I'm not really upset Hartnell is gone, but I would have preferred they bought him out instead of wasting time bringing Umberger back. I would rather have that money free to do other stuff, then waste it on Umberger.
- PLindbergh31

Well I'm sure they exhausted those options. Fact is they were'nt finding a team to dump 5 years of Hartnell on for a draft pick in return. They get themselves out of the final two years, where honestly there would have been zero chance to ever move him and they get a good all around player in return.

I'm not really upset Hartnell is gone, but I would have preferred they bought him out instead of wasting time bringing Umberger back. I would rather have that money free to do other stuff, then waste it on Umberger.
- PLindbergh31

Well, the flyers rarely bring ex players back, so at least there's a change there

Just wait until you see Umberger play. You'll be pining for Hartnell
- PhillySportsGuy

I've seen him, neither player excites me. Hartnell is not a #1 winger anymore, he lost his spot to Raffl who has severe difficulty scoring goals but is pretty good otherwise. Hartnell had trouble with one timers on the PP this season. His decline is going to be hard and fast. I think Umberger fits a third line wing role better then Hartnell, or they have another move in the works.

I will miss Hartnell's personality and his antics. Throwing his glove at a breakaway is in my top moments ever.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m

No salary retention for either team in CLB/PHI trade...clean break both ways

Well, there went that hope.
- dilbert719

Well, I'll give Hextall credit for one thing.....if you're gonna trade a popular player (and Hartnell is well-liked), make it your first move while you still have the personal capital to do so.

again. this will increase giroux's numbers.
- stayinthefnnet

so you like it from a Flyers perspective?

i don't think anyone (especially EK) didn't see this coming harsty wasn't even on the rumor chart
- arichardson22

which proves its untrue (E2)

Not really. The draft and July 1st are fast approaching.

I'm sure you love this transaction like you do every other. Flyers just traded a player they play on their top line, for a guy who was a healthy scratch in the playoffs.
- PLindbergh31

And I could reply with I'm sure you'll hate it and reply negatively, but where would that get us? What I'll do is look at it objectively, and come to an unbiased opinion. I'm still processing it, but two initial thoughts I have is that I don't think this makes the Flyers a better team. And that I think this is one move of the Summer, and there are going to be other things to come.

I bet Kimmo is pissed.

He's superior at having a name that's similar to cheeseburger
- funmaster18

It's a bright side for local sportswriters: They get to recycle and update stories on Umberger. DID YOU KNOW HE WAS A PENS FAN GROWING UP?

I've seen him, neither player excites me. Hartnell is not a #1 winger anymore, he lost his spot to Raffl who has severe difficulty scoring goals but is pretty good otherwise. Hartnell had trouble with one timers on the PP this season. His decline is going to be hard and fast. I think Umberger fits a third line wing role better then Hartnell, or they have another move in the works.

I will miss Hartnell's personality and his antics. Throwing his glove at a breakaway is in my top moments ever.
- Marc D

Umberger was a healthy scratch and makes $4.6M over the next 3 seasons. Coaches don't continually scratch effective, veteran players.

WTF are you talking about?
Have you watched Umberger over the last few years?
Guy was scratched for the most important game of the BJ"s entire franchise history!
- Whiskey-Tango

Ok? A microcosm in both players careers. One playoff series. Big whoop.

I've watched enough of both players to know what I'm talking about. I'm cool with it.

Well, I'll give Hextall credit for one thing.....if you're gonna trade a popular player (and Hartnell is well-liked), make it your first move while you still have the personal capital to do so.
- johndewar

Is this a culture change?

Well, the flyers rarely bring ex players back, so at least there's a change there
- funmaster18

Another bright side: All of you fans that owned an Umberger jersey.....YOUR JERSEY IS NO LONGER OBSOLETE!