So for tomorrow: Megadeath or Slayer?
- BiggE

Slayer has one song better than any Megadeth song, but oh man, it's so much better. I'd probably go with Megadeth, though.

We gave Max Talbot five years.
- SuperSchennBros

He was 27, not 32.

It's OK to want Steve Ott, just as it's OK to think the player is in decline.

Neither of those are inherently right or wrong.
- AllInForFlyers

I want Steve Ott. I do think he's in skillful decline. However he has other smarts he won't lose. I totally believe this player could be Max Talbot or Ian Laperriere for the team.

He was 27, not 32.
- Feanor

Hartnell was given 7 a year ago. Same age.

We gave Max Talbot five years.
- SuperSchennBros

Talbot was in his mid 20s and made under $2M per year.

Slayer has one song better than any Megadeth song, but oh man, it's so much better. I'd probably go with Megadeth, though.
- jmatchett383

I'm playing guitar at Phillysportsguy's wedding tomorrow night. He'd most likely be cool with it, but the mother and mother-in-law would most likely shoot me!

I want Steve Ott. I do think he's in skillful decline. However he has other smarts he won't lose. I totally believe this player could be Max Talbot or Ian Laperriere for the team.
- SuperSchennBros

They were 4th line guys making less than $2 million.

Talbot was in his mid 20s and made under $2M per year.
- PhillySportsGuy

How old is Hartnell? How many years and what kind of money does he make?

Confession: I've never seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- BulliesPhan87

I tried watching it didn't like it

I want Steve Ott. I do think he's in skillful decline. However he has other smarts he won't lose. I totally believe this player could be Max Talbot or Ian Laperriere for the team.
- SuperSchennBros

That's totally fine; you're entitled to that opinion.

I think his decline is/will be rapid and harsh, and personally I would avoid the player

Hartnell was given 7 a year ago. Same age.
- SuperSchennBros

Not sure what Hartnell has in common with Ott/Talbot. Totally different player with a different skill set and different role.

Wait, we gave Pronger 7 years and he was 35 when the deal kicked in. Therefore, we should also give Ott 7 years, right?

So for tomorrow: Megadeath or Slayer?
- BiggE

Both

They were 4th line guys making less than $2 million.
- Feanor

I believe Ott to be a bottom six player.

Insert dark comedic joke about what they did let happen
- PhillySportsGuy

Both
- PhillySportsGuy

Oh crap, dude, didn't realize it was tomorrow. Mazel Tov!

Hartnell was given 7 a year ago. Same age.
- SuperSchennBros

Hartnell was given a six year deal, two years ago on the back of a 67 point season. And it was too long then. Talkign about giving Steve Ott a five year deal is utterly ridiculous.

Both
- PhillySportsGuy

Well we definitely disagree because he's not just your average grinder.

Agree of disagree 2.25 I'd be fine with for no more then 4 or 5 years.

As for my examples in price tags. Some guys make too much, some make not enough, which is mypoint.
- SuperSchennBros

What does Ott do so effectively that requires a 4-5 year deal?

Not sure what Hartnell has in common with Ott/Talbot. Totally different player with a different skill set and different role.

Wait, we gave Pronger 7 years and he was 35 when the deal kicked in. Therefore, we should also give Ott 7 years, right?
- jmatchett383

If we're talking from an age standpoint, yes.

Slayer has one song better than any Megadeth song, but oh man, it's so much better. I'd probably go with Megadeth, though.
- jmatchett383

If you are speaking of Seasons In The Abyss, then I wholeheartedly agree.

If we're talking from an age standpoint, yes.
- SuperSchennBros

You're taking 2 separate arguments and trying to make them into one.

Ott and Talbot play a similar role. That is why I used their age as a reason.

Hartnell and Ott's relative age is a moot point because they plays entirely different roles.

Hartnell was given a six year deal, two years ago on the back of a 67 point season. And it was too long then. Talkign about giving Steve Ott a five year deal is utterly ridiculous.
- Feanor

Is this fact or your opinion...because the fact is, I said four or five years and you guys are hanging on to five.

If you are speaking of Seasons In The Abyss, then I wholeheartedly agree.
- MBFlyerfan

Great song!

How old is Hartnell? How many years and what kind of money does he make?
- SuperSchennBros

We're right back where we started. You're using Hartnell's deal as a reason why its ok to sign players in their 30s to long term deals. Hartnell's deal is not a favorable deal for the Flyers.

Hartnell is also a top line player. Even if he regresses, they can move him down the lineup. If Ott regresses, he's no longer a viable NHL player.

How old is Hartnell? How many years and what kind of money does he make?
- SuperSchennBros

That's a false analogy -- Hartnell's a better player.

That's like saying the Flyers should trade multiple first-round picks and players for any other 35-year-old defensemen, just because they did it for Chris Pronger