I'd be fine starting the season with the following roster, and it would have the added bonus of hurting the Rangers too!

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CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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- BiggE

I'm going to hate our roster no matter what this October.

I'm going to hate our roster no matter what this October.
- SuperSchennBros

I find your lack of faith in our plan disturbing

Why was Foster needed in January of 13 when a stud like Lilja was stashed away with the Phantoms?
- PLindbergh31

Wasn't Schenn our only NHL defenseman that year at one point? Also I think they wanted some sort of shot on the PP since they didn't really have one. Foster wasn't a terrible player until he broke his femur on that icing play.

The thing is teams don't trade number one dmen for just picks. They aquired guys like Streit, MacDonald and Grossmannn to fill roles since there are no number one dman out there. They put their best effort forward with the OS to Weber.
- J35Bacher

True, they don't. At the same time, had those picks been kept, the Flyers might have a few options on the farm that are cheap and ready to step in.

That's where my issue lies, while the Flyers do an overall good to very good job of icing a competitive team, the asset management could be even better. I like the aggressiveness and trying to win every year, but I'd like to see it tempered a bit.

Exactly

I'm pretty sure if they Flyers could go back to 82, they'd take Scott Stevens over Ron Sutter. The draft is a crapshoot, giving up a ton of assets for any prospect short of a Mario Lemieux type of franchise forward is extremely risky.
- BiggE

That's why it baffles me to hear talk of trading Brayden Schenn in a deal for another draft pick -- hell, you're already lucky that Schenn has made it to the NHL and produced and looks like he could still develop a bit more. But you're eager to hit on 18 or 19 just to see if you can beat the house again?

Wasn't Schenn our only NHL defenseman that year at one point? Also I think they wanted some sort of shot on the PP since they didn't really have one. Foster wasn't a terrible player until he broke his femur on that icing play.
- J35Bacher

When Foster was signed, the only guy hurt was Meszaros. When Gervais was signed, it was July. The injuries piled up in the middle of the season.

True, they don't. At the same time, had those picks been kept, the Flyers might have a few options on the farm that are cheap and ready to step in.

That's where my issue lies, while the Flyers do an overall good to very good job of icing a competitive team, the asset management could be even better. I like the aggressiveness and trying to win every year, but I'd like to see it tempered a bit.
- Jsaquella

Tempered a bit? So you only want to win a little? Just enough to be close to the payoffs but not really make it?

When Foster was signed, the only guy hurt was Meszaros. When Gervais was signed, it was July. The injuries piled up in the middle of the season.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, they were definitely signed to be part of the top-6.

The problem wasn't that they went out and got RH'ers after the Jersey series... it was that the pro scouts/management picked the wrong (frank)ing guys.

That's why it baffles me to hear talk of trading Brayden Schenn in a deal for another draft pick -- hell, you're already lucky that Schenn has made it to the NHL and produced and looks like he could still develop a bit more. But you're eager to hit on 18 or 19 just to see if you can beat the house again?
- AllInForFlyers

Yup
Sure, if Florida is willing to swap the 1st overall pick for just B. Schenn, you do the deal. But we all know that they are going to want MUCH more and it's just not worth it.

That's why it baffles me to hear talk of trading Brayden Schenn in a deal for another draft pick -- hell, you're already lucky that Schenn has made it to the NHL and produced and looks like he could still develop a bit more. But you're eager to hit on 18 or 19 just to see if you can beat the house again?
- AllInForFlyers

I would trade Schenn but only if the return is Weber, Subban or maybe someone like Bogosian who could be a top guy.

How about this for a trade proposal: JJ for Drew Remenda.

Tempered a bit? So you only want to win a little? Just enough to be close to the payoffs but not really make it?
- J35Bacher

I think by tempered he means not just blindly giving up all your picks and prospects to win now at any cost. No one wants them not to be competitive, but taking the occasional step back to make a big leap forward is not a bad thing.

My original point being that I hear too many people saying the Flyers will try to make some sort of splash simply because the draft is in Philly. It is absolutely asinine to suggest it, yet it is everywhere.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh I agree with you completely.

Killorn (TB) just signed for 2 years at $2.55 million per season. He had 41 points in 82 games.

When Foster was signed, the only guy hurt was Meszaros. When Gervais was signed, it was July. The injuries piled up in the middle of the season.
- Jsaquella

Plus, that was when the league totally changed, and the Flyers had to adjust -- teams just stopped trading defensemen of consequence unless they were at risk of them leaving for nothing. And Nashville even risked that, by letting Ryan Suter play out his final season rather than trading him for anything they could get.

The Flyers, for years, had traded for their NHL defensemen. The league changed, and they've adjusted.

Tempered a bit? So you only want to win a little? Just enough to be close to the payoffs but not really make it?
- J35Bacher

How deep did adding MacDonald get the Flyers last year? They were pretty much a lock to make the playoffs when he was added. He was a slight upgrade to a team with little more than a puncher's chance to make a deep playoff run

Rather than augment an already flawed team with yet another flawed player, they could have stood pat & had more draft picks in the next couple years. Win now is great, teams should try to win. But they should also look at things realistically and with an eye to a few years down the road, not just a few months.

EDIT: in Holmgrens time as GM he made 3 second round picks. When guys like Subban, Weber & Keith are taken in the 2nd round, I'd say it's important to hang onto those picks, rather than trade them for depth guys

Killorn (TB) just signed for 2 years at $2.55 million per season. He had 41 points in 82 games.
- Feanor

I imagine that sets the bottom-end for what Schenn's going to get.

I'm going to hate our roster no matter what this October.
- SuperSchennBros

You're just mean.

Killorn (TB) just signed for 2 years at $2.55 million per season. He had 41 points in 82 games.
- Feanor

Could be good news for Schenn to get locked up.

I find your lack of faith in our plan disturbing
- BiggE

WE HAVE A PLAN!?!
News to me.

Tempered a bit? So you only want to win a little? Just enough to be close to the payoffs but not really make it?
- J35Bacher

I think it has more to do with selling the future for the possibility of a win now. It's a tough line to walk and the Flyers tend to go for the "win now" mentality. Conservatism is not their strong suite. It's one of the reasons that they keep fans though so it is definately a delicate line to walk.

I think by tempered he means not just blindly giving up all your picks and prospects to win now at any cost. No one wants them not to be competitive, but taking the occasional step back to make a big leap forward is not a bad thing.
- BiggE

Ok. I was trying to figure out what tempered was. But you can't always bank on taking a step back to get better. Hasn't EDM routinely been keeping prospects and high picks. When does their charge on the league start.

Could be good news for Schenn to get locked up.
- Jsaquella

Yep, can see a 2 year bridge deal coming

1st year 2.5
2nd year 2.75

cap hit: 2.625 million

I imagine that sets the bottom-end for what Schenn's going to get.
- Tomahawk

That should be the top end, not the floor, to me -- and I like the guy and want him on the team.

But Hextall needs to hold the line, here.

WE HAVE A PLAN!?!
News to me.

- FlyersGrace

YUP
Step one: Collect underpants
Step two: ???????
Step three: Win Stanley Cup