Ott rubs me the wrong way, so I'd rather not have him.
- aflyerpower8

Like I said, he reminds me a lot of Talbot and Lappy. I think he'd instantly become a fan favourite.

All last summer was a question of whether or not Simon Gagne would get re-signed because he would look pretty good with Couturier and Read. Then Dan Cleary excited everyone. Then many believed since we already had Talbot, he would be fine there. Then Downie played with Couturier and Read, he turned out to be perfect but due to what I believe was head trauma, he also head his bad games. So we also tried Michael Raffl, who in my opinion never live up to what we saw in Downie on that line. Finding a good fit with Read and Couturier has been rather complicated in my opinion.

Steve Ott is my guy.

ask the habs fans here how they feel about gorges and emelin
- -davies-

How did we feel about Carle or Coburn? Every home team over analyzes their players.

I remember Kings fans trashing Muzzin early in the year.

Like I said, he reminds me a lot of Talbot and Lappy. I think he'd instantly become a fan favourite.

All last summer was a question of whether or not Simon Gagne would get re-signed because he would look pretty good with Couturier and Read. Then Dan Cleary excited everyone. Then many believed since we already had Talbot, he would be fine there. Then Downie played with Couturier and Read, he turned out to be perfect but due to what I believe was head trauma, he also head his bad games. So we also tried Michael Raffl, who in my opinion never live up to what we saw in Downie on that line. Finding a good fit with Read and Couturier has been rather complicated in my opinion.

Steve Ott is my guy.
- SuperSchennBros

So you'd pay $3M for Talbot or Lappy?

It gets weaker as you go further along, but Subban, Markov, Gorges, and Emelin are better than Coburn, Timonen, Grossmann, Streit as a unit.
- aflyerpower8

I honestly disagree with that -- Subban played 27 minutes a night for them in the playoffs. 27!! He's covering up for plenty on that team.

Would you trade Coburn for Gorges? I wouldn't.

Markov and Streit are a wash to me; though I acknowledge some might like Markov a little better.

Grossmann and Emelin are the same player, to me.

Montreal got a lot of help from their defensive structure and all-world goaltending from Carey Price. I truly don't believe their six defensemen, especially when you get to the third pairs for both teams, are stronger than the Flyers.

I wouldn't call Montreal's defense "amazing." I give PK Subban all the credit in the world, but I simply do not believe that Josh Gorges, Andrei Markov, Mike Weaver, Alexei Emelin and Francois Bouillon are better than what we have.

They're not. Those other five guys are not one bit better than what the Flyers have.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree, but the difference is that a dynamic defenseman like Subban makes the entire unit better. They don't have to play a Josh Gorges like a top defenseman.

It gets weaker as you go further along, but Subban, Markov, Gorges, and Emelin are better than Coburn, Timonen, Grossmann, Streit as a unit.
- aflyerpower8

Because of Subban.

How did we feel about Carle or Coburn? Every home team over analyzes their players.

I remember Kings fans trashing Muzzin early in the year.
- aflyerpower8

i liked carle and coburn

coburn more

I honestly disagree with that -- Subban played 27 minutes a night for them in the playoffs. 27!! He's covering up for plenty on that team.

Would you trade Coburn for Gorges? I wouldn't.

Markov and Streit are a wash to me; though I acknowledge some might like Markov a little better.

Grossmann and Emelin are the same player, to me.

Montreal got a lot of help from their defensive structure and all-world goaltending from Carey Price. I truly don't believe their six defensemen, especially when you get to the third pairs for both teams, are stronger than the Flyers.
- AllInForFlyers

Markov is a lot better than Streit. His problems have always been injuries. Markov was their #1 defenseman for a lot of the year. He played over 25 MPG this year.

So you'd pay $3M for Talbot or Lappy?
- PhillySportsGuy

Are you 100% sure Ott gets 3 million?

ALL OF OUR PLAYERS SUCK! TRADE THEM ALL FOR NEW PLAYERS UNTIL WE FIND OUT THEY SUCK, AND THEN TRADE THEM!
- jmatchett383

I don't think this is a very smart sugguestion... hmmm... wait.... Sarcasm?

Are you 100% sure Ott gets 3 million?
- SuperSchennBros

No guarantees, but I'd rather get a 3rd line winger than a 4th line grinder coming off of 2 subpar years.

No guarantees, but I'd rather get a 3rd line winger than a 4th line grinder coming off of 2 subpar years.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well in case you only skimmed through my posts, he can play anywhere within the bottom 6. He also played for the terrible Sabers for most of the last season and the overrated Blues from the deadline on. I don't know what you expect from a bottom six role player on two teams that have their own issues to workout as a whole.

I see it's already been discussed to death but count me out on Ott. I dont see him adding much to this team for what he'll cost. I'd rather run with a guy in the system or a cheap option for the third line wing. Won't debate it further than that. Just figured one more vote being voiced cant hurt.

Brian Boyle is still a name that intrigues me. Assuming you move Vinny you'd look like this down the middle.

G
Coots
Boyle
Laughton

With Laughton moving up to the 3rd line in a few years time. With guys like Read and Raffl in the mix too you've got yourself set up for some really strong PK units.

I see it's already been discussed to death but count me out on Ott. I dont see him adding much to this team for what he'll cost. I'd rather run with a guy in the system or a cheap option for the third line wing. Won't debate it further than that. Just figured one more vote being voiced cant hurt.

Brian Boyle is still a name that intrigues me. Assuming you move Vinny you'd look like this down the middle.

G
Coots
Boyle
Laughton

With Laughton moving up to the 3rd line in a few years time. With guys like Read and Raffl in the mix too you've got yourself set up for some really strong PK units.
- hereticpride

So we are moving Schenn too?

Well in case you only skimmed through my posts, he can play where within the bottom 6. He also played for the terrible Sabers for most of the last season and the overrated Blues from the deadline on. I don't know what you expect from a bottom six role player on two teams that have heir own issues to workout as a whole.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not just looking at stats. I've watched him play quite a bit and he's definitely regressed since his time in Dallas. He's about to be 32. He's been a grinder his entire career. Those guys don't age gracefully.

I believe the Flyers can get the same or better production from Laughton than Ott.

So we are moving Schenn too?
- aflyerpower8

Holy hell, I forgot Schenn. For now I would still slate him in at LW unless there is a FA option or trade out there that really works for us.

Hartnell G Voracek
Schenn Coots Simmonds
Raffl Boyle Read
Bellemere Laughton FA Vet/Rinaldo/Akeson

I agree, but the difference is that a dynamic defenseman like Subban makes the entire unit better. They don't have to play a Josh Gorges like a top defenseman.
- MJL

Agreed, and that is a differentiator, but at some point, you still gotta expose guys like Bouillon and Weaver.

You can only hide guys for so long, and while I, too, would like that one guy who can cover up for the weaknesses of others, it is fair to say that in the NHL now, your only realistic avenue to obtaining that kind of player is to draft him and develop them, and you don't have to draft them early -- Duncan Keith and Subban being second-rounders, as we all know.

I see it's already been discussed to death but count me out on Ott. I dont see him adding much to this team for what he'll cost. I'd rather run with a guy in the system or a cheap option for the third line wing. Won't debate it further than that. Just figured one more vote being voiced cant hurt.

Brian Boyle is still a name that intrigues me. Assuming you move Vinny you'd look like this down the middle.

G
Coots
Boyle
Laughton

With Laughton moving up to the 3rd line in a few years time. With guys like Read and Raffl in the mix too you've got yourself set up for some really strong PK units.
- hereticpride

I think Boyle is in the same boat as Ott. Would be a nice player to add for depth. But what's the cost? I think it would be too high for the Flyers.

I'm not just looking at stats. I've watched him play quite a bit and he's definitely regressed since his time in Dallas. He's about to be 32. He's been a grinder his entire career. Those guys don't age gracefully.

I believe the Flyers can get the same or better production from Laughton than Ott.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree; don't really like where Steve Ott is right now.

If he were on the Flyers, I'd support him, but I don't think he's aging well.

I'm not just looking at stats. I've watched him play quite a bit and he's definitely regressed since his time in Dallas. He's about to be 32. He's been a grinder his entire career. Those guys don't age gracefully.

I believe the Flyers can get the same or better production from Laughton than Ott.
- PhillySportsGuy

There are intangibles that you would get from Ott that you won't get from Laughton. But I don't think he's a fit for a variety of reasons.

I think Boyle is in the same boat as Ott. Be a nice player to add for depth. But what's the cost? I think it would be too high for the Flyers.
- MJL

This is true. It will be interesting to see what Boyle gets for sure. I can see him getting offered stupid money from some team.

I'm not just looking at stats. I've watched him play quite a bit and he's definitely regressed since his time in Dallas. He's about to be 32. He's been a grinder his entire career. Those guys don't age gracefully.

I believe the Flyers can get the same or better production from Laughton than Ott.
- PhillySportsGuy

The Flyers expect to only keep Scott Laughton at center. Nothing more, nothing less. They want him to be a center in the NHL. Ott can play all three forward positions. Laughton isn't nearly as physical as Ott. Laughton won't be as good a faceoff man. Laughton won't bring the same experience as a whole, from a 5 on 5 or PK standpoint.

I don't know if you were expecting Ott to lead the charge offensively for the Sabers and Blues, but my question now becomes...who could lead the charge offensively for the Sabers and Blues?

I think we could be in luck by having Jokinen, Pouliot and Kulemin being UFAs because Ott isn't as good as them if you compare stats but he does bring his own intangibles. For all the Rinaldo haters, he does make Zac Rinaldo expendable. Not Laughton but Rinaldo.

I think Boyle is in the same boat as Ott. Be a nice player to add for depth. But what's the cost? I think it would be too high for the Flyers.
- MJL

Way to much. Sign a cheaper guy like Dominic Moore and let him, Laughton, and Bellemare duke it out for 3rd and 4th line center spots.

This is of course assuming Lecavlier is gone and if Schenn is still here, you add him to the mix as well.

There are intangibles that you would get from Ott that you won't get from Laughton. But I don't think he's a fit for a variety of reasons.
- MJL

If Ott returns out to be too pricey, that's the only way I wouldn't want him.

This is true. It will be interesting to see what Boyle gets for sure. I can see him getting offered stupid money from some team.
- hereticpride

Ouch -- he made $1.8 last season. He's not taking a paycut off that, that's for damn sure.

I had some interest, but you're right: The number he's coming in at, probably, is going to be someplace I wouldn't want to go.