sure !!!!! .....did you watch Dion last year? and that deal is terrible....thats Shea Weber $.....
- landros 2

Yes actually I did. He had a wonderful first 60-70 games. He is a good defensmen. A top 30 in the league. He plays against the best players on each team all night every night with a number 4-5 d man partner and is still a plus player and does a good job of it each night.

if dion cost philly anymore then schenn hextall should walk. im not even completely sold on schenn for dion. id rather dangle schenn at team with a real num 1 dman then add to it to make it work. there are only a few dmen out there who would really change phillys d corp and dion is not on that list. people think schenn has hit his potential and that just isn't true. He is already a bonafide num 2c on every team and is 22 years old. he plays very little pp time and still puts up points. he is going to be a num 1c very shortly and immediately in Toronto. Schenn is def worth more then phanuef even with the defensive premium in this league.

pretty sure yandle, shattenkirk, erhoff, Johnson could be had with the starter being B schenn.
philly shouldn't settle for an overrated overpaid dman. if they are giving up significant pieces they will go for a much much better one.
- 28Girouxsalem28

None of those defensmen are available. Shatwnkirk is the only better one. Yandle is debatable.

If Chevy believes Bishop is the real deal, then the offer works well for them. They move out Kane, who isn't doing the team any good due to his numerous antics and mediocre performance. This year's draft isn't anything special, so likely little drop off between the 9 and 19th picks. Plus Bishop is 2.3 cap hit this year, which saves money. Otherwise, they have no goalie in the system or any real trade prospects to bring in somebody comparable to Bishop...it's an even deal imo.
- mventres

That's a horrible deal for the Jets.

if dion cost philly anymore then schenn hextall should walk. im not even completely sold on schenn for dion. id rather dangle schenn at team with a real num 1 dman then add to it to make it work. there are only a few dmen out there who would really change phillys d corp and dion is not on that list. people think schenn has hit his potential and that just isn't true. He is already a bonafide num 2c on every team and is 22 years old. he plays very little pp time and still puts up points. he is going to be a num 1c very shortly and immediately in Toronto. Schenn is def worth more then phanuef even with the defensive premium in this league.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Schenn projects to he a 2nd line center. You do know that right.

Schenn projects to he a 2nd line center. You do know that right.
- JVR_42_PK81

he already is a 2c. there are at least 12 teams that would immediately make him a first c. he hasn't even reached his potential and already has 2c locked down.

Yes actually I did. He had a wonderful first 60-70 games. He is a good defensmen. A top 30 in the league. He plays against the best players on each team all night every night with a number 4-5 d man partner and is still a plus player and does a good job of it each night.
- JVR_42_PK81

wonderful is a stretch, he had some rough patches in there......that last 90 seconds in the playoffs against Boston (a year ago)was a thing of Beauty....He couldn't defend in front of the net to save his life.. ... . I don't mind his offensive game but I don't think he answers the Philly issues on the backend. I really am surprised the Leafs would move him....the Captain ...the new huge long term contract ?
Now if we could get the Dion from Calgary I would want him...but then there would be no way the Leafs would move him.

None of those defensmen are available. Shatwnkirk is the only better one. Yandle is debatable.
- JVR_42_PK81

Im sure if hextall called st Louis and dangled schenn plus plus they would absolutely listen. same with phoenix. I'm pretty sure yandle is available. phoenix has a great d pool and oel is the face now.

Call Hextall now because I would do this in a heartbeat. Well said
- arichardson22

Phaneuf a turnover machine? maybe, but lets look at the stats for D and giveaways

Phaneuf had: 60

Worse than Phaneuf
Erik Karlsson - 115
Hjalmarsson - 100

Others worse than Phaneuf from 60-100 giveaways
Petry, Goligoski, Trouba, Subban, Markov, Doughty, Voynov, Byfuglien, Keith, Hamhuis, Seabrook, Mcdonagh, Green, Yandle, Schultz, Chara, Ehrhoff, Andy Macdonald

So if you don't want Phaneuf because of giveaways, then you DEFINITELY do not want any of these D who are worse than Phaneuf at giveaways

Phaneuf a turnover machine? maybe, but lets look at the stats for D and giveaways

Phaneuf had: 60

Worse than Phaneuf
Erik Karlsson - 115
Hjalmarsson - 100

Others worse than Phaneuf from 60-100 giveaways
Petry, Goligoski, Trouba, Subban, Markov, Doughty, Voynov, Byfuglien, Keith, Hamhuis, Seabrook, Mcdonagh, Green, Yandle, Schultz, Chara, Ehrhoff, Andy Macdonald I can think of a bunch turnovers by phanuef that directly effected the out come of a game and 1 that effected a playoff series. he is horrendous

So if you don't want Phaneuf because of giveaways, then you DEFINITELY do not want any of these D who are worse than Phaneuf at giveaways
- ILoveLamp

just about any d man qualifies for a num 1 in philly
there are at least 15 other dmen I would much rather have then dion.
- 28Girouxsalem28

15 is a far cry from 60-70 d-men as you first stated.
Even if Dion is the 30th best d-man in the league, that means he is a top pairing d-man on just about every team.
The guy plays every scenario, PP, PK, and plays against other teams best every night. Plays 24mins/night.

Dion gets this bad rep for some reason...I love these moronic Habs/Oilers fans that are chiming in saying he could be had for a 3rd rounder...idiots.

meanwhile the Leafs will continue with their consistent playoff appearance of once every decade
- nikel

Sabres fans will know what that is like shortly.

lol the fact that you really just said miller to st. louis.... also we have bishop in tampa. for a hell of a lot less than miller. and bishop is better... plus vasilevskii on the way... we dont need a goalie. altho I wouldnt mind signing brodeur for a year as the backup. good bye lindback.... we will be spending our money going after dmen and possibly kesler. good bye callahan. either way our top line of palat stamkos drouin next season just has me smiling so big drouin for calder next year

wonderful is a stretch, he had some rough patches in there......that last 90 seconds in the playoffs against Boston (a year ago)was a thing of Beauty....He couldn't defend in front of the net to save his life.. ... . I don't mind his offensive game but I don't think he answers the Philly issues on the backend. I really am surprised the Leafs would move him....the Captain ...the new huge long term contract ?
Now if we could get the Dion from Calgary I would want him...but then there would be no way the Leafs would move him.
- landros 2

The phaneuf from Calgary? You mean the phaneuf that didn't give a crap about defense and only played offense? No thanks. And I have yet to see someone move chara from in front of the net from any defensmen. So your argument is not valid there.

15 is a far cry from 60-70 d-men as you first stated.
Even if Dion is the 30th best d-man in the league, that means he is a top pairing d-man on just about every team.
The guy plays every scenario, PP, PK, and plays against other teams best every night. Plays 24mins/night.

Dion gets this bad rep for some reason...I love these moronic Habs/Oilers fans that are chiming in saying he could be had for a 3rd rounder...idiots.
- BoBBeR56

Dion is a very good servicable D man....not in the first tier of franchise D men ....but he is in the top 25 for sure....his game has warts, but thats not saying much most guys do.....Should the Flyers Move a Brayden Schenn for him ? no.

15 is a far cry from 60-70 d-men as you first stated.
Even if Dion is the 30th best d-man in the league, that means he is a top pairing d-man on just about every team.
The guy plays every scenario, PP, PK, and plays against other teams best every night. Plays 24mins/night.

Dion gets this bad rep for some reason...I love these moronic Habs/Oilers fans that are chiming in saying he could be had for a 3rd rounder...idiots.
- BoBBeR56

when did I say 60 or 70? there are at least 15 I would prefer over him. for the delusional price u fans are asking I would hang up on you and delete your number, then go laugh with the other sane gms about how ridiculous Toronto is

Ducks should trade for Spezza then sign Alex Hemsky to 4 years @4.5

Silfverberg - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano- Spezza - Hemsky
Maroon - Perreault - Palmieri
Beleskey - Rakell - Jackman

Only way Phaneuf is going anywhere with his horrendous contract is if the Leafs take back both Green and Laich in return. Otherwise there is no way in hell Phaneuf is picked up Caps or any other team for that matter.
- Jammerz04

Get a clue man.
Leafs eat $1.5mil of that contract, and now he's a $5.5mil dman.
But you're right, he holds no value, lol...

The phaneuf from Calgary? You mean the phaneuf that didn't give a crap about defense and only played offense? No thanks. And I have yet to see someone move chara from in front of the net from any defensmen. So your argument is not valid there.
- JVR_42_PK81

No the one that hit ....and hit hard....the one that fought to defend his team mates.......the one that scored 20 as a rookie and followed up with back to back 17 goal seasons.....the one that was far more engaged before he got his $...that one....not the one that plays when he wants too.

when did I say 60 or 70? there are at least 15 I would prefer over him. for the delusional price u fans are asking I would hang up on you and delete your number, then go laugh with the other sane gms about how ridiculous Toronto is
- 28Girouxsalem28

Your the one saying Brayden Schenn would be a 2nd line center on every team and a first line center on 15 teams. Now that's a joke.

Dion is a very good servicable D man....not in the first tier of franchise D men ....but he is in the top 25 for sure....his game has warts, but thats not saying much most guys do.....Should the Flyers Move a Brayden Schenn for him ? no.
- landros 2

Top 25?

Karlsson, Doughty, Keith, Seabrook, Weber, Chara, Letang, Byfuglien, Hedman, Suter, Markov, Subban, Pietrangelo, OEL, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Goligoski, Fowler, Hamhuis, Edler, Giordano, Kronwall

Those are given. I don't think Dion (right now) is top 25 in the NHL. I'd take those Dmen before Dion.... in a heartbeat in almost all cases

The phaneuf from Calgary? You mean the phaneuf that didn't give a crap about defense and only played offense? No thanks. And I have yet to see someone move chara from in front of the net from any defensmen. So your argument is not valid there.
- JVR_42_PK81

he's no smaller then Lucic though ?..and he didn't move him either....he might as well have given Lucic a peck on the cheek to go with the gift....it's not about size or Chara would score 50 from there ever year....its about position and battle....Dion did neither and the Leafs lost.

[quote=28Girouxsalem28]when did I say 60 or 70? there are at least 15 I would prefer over him. for the delusional price u fans are asking I would hang up on you and delete your number, then go laugh with the other sane gms about how ridiculous Toronto is
- JVR_42_PK81

Your the one saying Brayden Schenn would be a 2nd line center on every team and a first line center on 15 teams. Now that's a joke.

I guy who scores 20 goals with little pp time can be any teams 2c. why is that hard to understand?

Top 25?

Karlsson, Doughty, Keith, Seabrook, Weber, Chara, Letang, Byfuglien, Hedman, Suter, Markov, Subban, Pietrangelo, OEL, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Goligoski, Fowler, Hamhuis, Edler, Giordano, Kronwall

Those are given. I don't think Dion (right now) is top 25 in the NHL. I'd take those Dmen before Dion.... in a heartbeat in almost all cases
- AlfieisKing

I think he's close after that group...I would put him up against the pilsbury dough boy in Winnipeg any day...Markov ? from what year ? Letang from 2 years ago ...ok....you argue summantics.

when did I say 60 or 70? there are at least 15 I would prefer over him. for the delusional price u fans are asking I would hang up on you and delete your number, then go laugh with the other sane gms about how ridiculous Toronto is
- 28Girouxsalem28

Lets do some quick math...I'll go slow and guide you thru this.
You said at best he is a #3 dman on teams.
30 teams in the NHL
#3 means, 2 guys better than him.
2guys per team with 30 teams, is 60...and you said AT BEST he is a #3, implying in some cases he would be a #4...hence the 60-70.
Got it?

Others (not Leafs fans) are saying he's a top25 in the league. What do you think a top25 d-man gets in trade? Roster player, prospect, pick.