likely at his ceiling? do you feel this somehow strengthened your retort by spouting total conjecture?
I disagree with your notion and your conjecture whole heartedly.

petry played as a number 1 for the bulk of this year. there's no comparison in the assignments the two were given.


the same defencemen as kyle quincey.....k bud
- hugefemale dog77

So a "number 1" on one of the worst teams in the league isn't the same as a top 4 guy on a playoff team? With similar stats in almost every measurable category?

....that you clearly didn't comprehend

Has nothing to do with Mitchell "playing hard for his team-mates". Edmonton is still multiple pieces away from even being a contending team, let a lone one that plays as well together as the Kings do.
- mochoson

so he's useless unless he's on a contending elite team?
well you did have me confused with the whole "family" metaphor.

anyway. again, and as usual. I whole heartedly disagree. what I saw was a guy that still has some quality minutes in him that was vital to their success.
I think he could absolutely help the oilers.

I mean since our number 1 is no better than kyle quincey and all, it probably wouldn't take much to improve us. no?

Not saying this would be the order but

Hainsey stralman (second unit pp)
Marincin petry
Ferrence Schultz (first unit pp)

These group would make us a vastly better blueline. No neither hainsey or stralman are top pairing guys (argument could be made for stralman) but all these three pairings are capable of playing 20 minutes a night Schultz could get easier assignments and we have strong puck movers on all sides.

Even if 4.5 is a tad overpayment on Anton I think he's worth it for us to get him.

I've said before I'd take Quincey on the Oilers. He's not the answer but his age is right and he would be a good stop gap. Sign him for 3 to 4 years. By then Nurse and Klefbom should be ready. I'm sure we could find a trade for him later on.

Marincin Petry
Quincey Schultz
Ference McQuaid

Ideal? No. Improvement? Yes.
- ystoil

Precisely my point.

Like I said, I'd go hard after Stralman or a guy like Hainsey if McQuaid can't be had.

So a "number 1" on one of the worst teams in the league isn't the same as a top 4 guy on a playoff team? With similar stats in almost every measurable category?
- mochoson

of course not.

why are you struggling to understand this so much?

petry was forced to take on the bulk of the specifically defensive work. He was gifted almost no PP time and played over 3 minutes a night on the Penalty kill in addition to his 5v5 play.

Eakins gave him no easy zone starts as he had the least Offensive Zone Starts of any regular defender (26.2%) . On top of that, he faced by far the most difficult competition of all the defensemen with his most common opponents being the likes of Perry and Getzlaf. Despite brutal zone starts and crushing opposition he still managed a positive relative Corsi% of +3.7%. That meaning he was that much higher than the average player on the Oilers.

any comparable stat without taking that into account is totally skewed. and in fact, if many of the numbers were comparable, that's a huge checkmark on petry's side.


as opposed to Detroit having say nik kronwall with a relative defensive workload.
and quincey far more sheltered.

so he's useless unless he's on a contending elite team?
well you did have me confused with the whole "family" metaphor.

anyway. again, and as usual. I whole heartedly disagree. what I saw was a guy that still has some quality minutes in him that was vital to their success.
I think he could absolutely help the oilers.

I mean since our number is no better than kyle quincey and all, it probably wouldn't take much to improve us. no?
- hugefemale dog77

Not useless, no. But definitely not worth signing, when there's younger and less beaten up options. Yes.

A better question would be why the hell would Mitchell even sign in Edmonton? Makes this entire argument redundant.

of course not.

why are you struggling to understand this so much?

petry was forced to take on the bulk of the specifically defensive work. He was gifted almost no PP time and played over 3 minutes a night on the Penalty kill in addition to his 5v5 play.

Eakins gave him no easy zone starts as he had the least Offensive Zone Starts of any regular defender (26.2%) . On top of that, he faced by far the most difficult competition of all the defensemen with his most common opponents being the likes of Perry and Getzlaf. Despite brutal zone starts and crushing opposition he still managed a positive relative Corsi% of +3.7%. That meaning he was that much higher than the average player on the Oilers.

any comparable stat without taking that into account is totally skewed. and in fact, if many of the numbers were comparable, that's a huge checkmark on petry's side.


as opposed to Detroit having say nik kronwall with a relative defensive workload.
and quincey far more sheltered.
- hugefemale dog77

I guess your that much smarter than I am.

I appreciate you explaining a whole bunch of stats to me I already knew though.

Not useless, no. But definitely not worth signing, when there's younger and less beaten up options. Yes.

A better question would be why the hell would Mitchell even sign in Edmonton? Makes this entire argument redundant.
- mochoson

Mitchell is playing on half a knee. I'm amazed he's still going and from what I've heard he's made a choice that'll cost him some quality of life after hockey

According to TSN, Markov is looking for 3 years at 6 mil per. If he becomes available would you sign him at that price and term?

Mitchell is playing on half a knee. I'm amazed he's still going and from what I've heard he's made a choice that'll cost him some quality of life after hockey
- robin_steele264

I bet he likes playing on BOTH knees.

Meszaros would likely come cheap. You'd be best served signing him cheap to a 1 year "prove yourself" deal, rotating him through the bottom pairing until he shows some consistency.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: if the Oilers aren't signing Matt Niskanen, theres 3 guys in FA who can eat some serious minutes and help this team.

Kyle Quincey, Anton Stralman, and Ron Hainsey
- mochoson

I'd break the bank on Stralman

..

According to TSN, Markov is looking for 3 years at 6 mil per. If he becomes available would you sign him at that price and term?
- rathagor

Yes

According to TSN, Markov is looking for 3 years at 6 mil per. If he becomes available would you sign him at that price and term?
- rathagor

Nahh... Sign him to that, and he'll go back to playing 30 games a season.

Mitchell is playing on half a knee. I'm amazed he's still going and from what I've heard he's made a choice that'll cost him some quality of life after hockey
- robin_steele264

BUT HE PLAYED SO GOOD IN THE FINALS MAN WEREN'T YOU WATCHING

I'd break the bank on Stralman
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would too, but would he sign here?

I think Ottawa will suck balls this year annnnnnddddddd they'll get McDavid at next years draft.

So a "number 1" on one of the worst teams in the league isn't the same as a top 4 guy on a playoff team? With similar stats in almost every measurable category?
- mochoson

Don't know about every measurable stat. Petry played more minutes, against tougher comp, with more severe zone starts, and had a positive numbers relative to his team.

BUT HE PLAYED SO GOOD IN THE FINALS MAN WEREN'T YOU WATCHING
- mochoson

OF COURSE I WAS!!. IT WAS ALL THE TEAM. THAT BRILLIANT PLAY WAS BECAUSE OF HIS TEAMMATES. THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD REPLICATE THAT STRONG PLAY ANYWHERE ELSE! LA PLAYS LIKE FAMILY SILLY

Not saying this would be the order but

Hainsey stralman (second unit pp)
Marincin petry
Ferrence Schultz (first unit pp)

These group would make us a vastly better blueline. No neither hainsey or stralman are top pairing guys (argument could be made for stralman) but all these three pairings are capable of playing 20 minutes a night Schultz could get easier assignments and we have strong puck movers on all sides.

Even if 4.5 is a tad overpayment on Anton I think he's worth it for us to get him.
- CrustyRooster

I hope the PP units are only attached to Stralman and Schultz and not their regular D partners

I would too, but would he sign here?
- mochoson

doubt it. But with enough money anything can be achieved! 5M 6M 10M!

Don't know about every measurable stat. Petry played more minutes, against tougher comp, with more severe zone starts, and had a positive relative numbers to his team.
- TheNugeIsHuge

but he knows this apparently.

and yet somehow still attempted to use quinceys comparable numbers (offensive maybe?) as a point for....


yeah, I don't get it either

doubt it. But with enough money anything can be achieved! 5M 6M 10M!
- TheNugeIsHuge

this

12 mil!!!

hmmmmm.


shot in the dark here. could it've been the oilers???

brown is no star. ugly skater and brick hands.
but high energy, high effort and sticks to what he knows. physical pressure.

put him on a good team, with a limited role and what happens.....he becomes a reasonably valuable, low minute 4th liner for them.

brown was never useless here imo
- hugefemale dog77

I agree on the Kelly post earlier- just don't know what we give up as well as this post- Browner was a trooper here and I think had we given the right environment he would have had success... amazing how we get 4th line pick ups and expect them to score, fight and change the teams corsi %age...

Not useless, no. But definitely not worth signing, when there's younger and less beaten up options. Yes.

A better question would be why the hell would Mitchell even sign in Edmonton? Makes this entire argument redundant.
- mochoson

if we're pulling the 'why would he sign in EDM?' card, then that should be used on all of these FAs rendering this whole conversation pointless