eric's real dollars don't matter to Edmonton.
only his cap hit. which is still a lot. but 8.25 is the only pertinent number to us, not the 9.25.



there's some drawbacks with erics contract and stuff. but I don't see how we can not strongly consider a center of his stature.
we're one of the worst teams in the league.
this isn't a 37 year old trying to cash in on the last couple years of his career that aint gonna do much for us. it's a 29 year old, who despite a down season for him, still has to be considered one of the elite players in the world.
- hugefemale dog77

You keep saying this but I Katz's actions say you are wrong....

for real? ??
- HouseArrest187

Biggest issue for me is Staal's salary. That would add yet another large salary to out forward group.
- Lahey

Ideally we would put it on the backend but who is potentially available for that type of money (maybe not quite 8 mill)

Phaneuf
Yandle
Byfuglien
Campbell

Would any one of those guys improve us more than Eric Staal?

If the cap situation does become dire, can we not flip him into a cheaper NHL player + other assets? For instance, Spezza may get moved for Berglund +

Edit: That's assuming he won't resign. Also, doesn't take into account the centre we'd develop (hopefully) and would be ready to move to a larger role in the top 6

You keep saying this but I Katz's actions say you are wrong....
- Iggysbff

how do you mean?

Edmonton isn't in any financial troubles. they make money every year.
there's no self imposed cap/money ceiling on this squad.
they've spent to the cap on almost a yearly basis.



real dollars matter in florida, Nashville etc. not edmonton

You keep saying this but I Katz's actions say you are wrong....
- Iggysbff

But why should your opinion of the deal have to do with salary. We weren't talking plausibility, we were talking about whether you'd want to do the deal. So how much Katz pays shouldn't figure into it, only the cap hit.

how do you mean?

Edmonton isn't in any financial troubles. they make money every year.
there's no self imposed cap/money ceiling on this squad.
they've spent to the cap on almost a yearly basis.



real dollars matter in florida, Nashville etc. not edmonton
- hugefemale dog77

Also, internal caps have a bearing on viability of a trade proposal i.e. how likely is it to come true, not whether you'd want to do it or not.

how do you mean?

Edmonton isn't in any financial troubles. they make money every year.
there's no self imposed cap/money ceiling on this squad.
they've spent to the cap on almost a yearly basis.



real dollars matter in florida, Nashville etc. not edmonton
- hugefemale dog77

Its been said by many that we have an internal cap. Katz wants certain profits to fund OEG growth.

Also its not so much the cap hit or salary to us that matter but in todays cap world cap space and salary IS a commodity. And with us saving them 4.5 mill in salary if they took Gagner that IS very valuable to them as they can have a competitive replacement at half the cost. Real dollars matter BIGTIME to Carolina right now.

Its been said by many that we have an internal cap. Katz wants certain profits to fund OEG growth.

Also its not so much the cap hit or salary to us that matter but in todays cap world cap space and salary IS a commodity. And with us saving them 4.5 mill in salary if they took Gagner that IS very valuable to them as they can have a competitive replacement at half the cost. Real dollars matter BIGTIME to Carolina right now.
- Iggysbff

So your concern is that we're not using how cash strapped they are as an advantage in that deal?That makes sense to me.

Not wanting Staal because Katz needs to pay him 9.25 million doesn't make much sense.

Its been said by many that we have an internal cap. Katz wants certain profits to fund OEG growth.

Also its not so much the cap hit or salary to us that matter but in todays cap world cap space and salary IS a commodity. And with us saving them 4.5 mill in salary if they took Gagner that IS very valuable to them as they can have a competitive replacement at half the cost. Real dollars matter BIGTIME to Carolina right now.
- Iggysbff

I agree with you say, but ultimately the thing that would benefit OEG growth would be the oilers icing a winning product.

I heard the other day that we have the 4th highest revenue in the league or something

So your concern is that we're not using how cash strapped they are as an advantage in that deal?That makes sense to me.

Not wanting Staal because Katz needs to pay him 9.25 million doesn't make much sense.
- Morris

Correct.

Its the same as when Leaf fans say Dion for #3 overall. Why in the (frank) would we just hand them 7 mill in cap space as well as a lotto pick for that douche? Thats why all the analysts say for Toronto to trade Phaneuf it will be a bad deal for the Leafs. They will get lesser value for him because of the contract.

For our Homie Jero....whose fart gif finally did him in.....



- Iggysbff

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its been said by many that we have an internal cap. Katz wants certain profits to fund OEG growth.

Also its not so much the cap hit or salary to us that matter but in todays cap world cap space and salary IS a commodity. And with us saving them 4.5 mill in salary if they took Gagner that IS very valuable to them as they can have a competitive replacement at half the cost. Real dollars matter BIGTIME to Carolina right now.
- Iggysbff

winning products increase value more than anything.

I never said they didnt mean anything to a market like carolina.

But edm is gonna spend every dollar possible to improve this team.
There's an internalcap in edm? Link. So theyve been breaking it by spending to the cap on almost a yearly basis since katz took over?

In fact, with the rising cap, much has been made of our added availability to spend dollars.

Of course cap space gives one freedom, but I dont think they value that more than icing a better team

I agree with you say, but ultimately the thing that would benefit OEG growth would be the oilers icing a winning product.

I heard the other day that we have the 4th highest revenue in the league or something
- CrustyRooster

Not sure where you heard that but its not even close. Edmonton was 15th in the league last year in Revenue.

Not sure where you heard that but its not even close. Edmonton was 15th in the league last year in Revenue.
- Iggysbff

Regular season only? Or will Playoffs count in there? If so, that's 16 teams with playoff revenue

I never said they didnt mean anything to a market like carolina.

But edm is gonna spend every dollar possible to improve this team.
There's an internalcap in edm? Link. So theyve been breaking it by spending to the cap on almost a yearly basis since katz took over?

In fact, with the rising cap, much has been made of our added availability to spend dollars.

Of course cap space gives one freedom, but I dont think they value that more than icing a better team
- hugefemale dog77

It is a little curious that we made two moves that seemed a lot like cap clearing - Smid to make room for Bryz, Horcoff to make room for Gordon/Perron - when we weren't close to going over the cap.

But at least when MacT says now that he wants to go hard in free agency, I believe him.

winning products increase value more than anything.

I never said they didnt mean anything to a market like carolina.

But edm is gonna spend every dollar possible to improve this team.
There's an internalcap in edm? Link. So theyve been breaking it by spending to the cap on almost a yearly basis since katz took over?

In fact, with the rising cap, much has been made of our added availability to spend dollars.

Of course cap space gives one freedom, but I dont think they value that more than icing a better team
- hugefemale dog77

On individual contracts. It was said by many people over and over that the cap on individual contracts is 6 mill. Hall/Ebs/Nuge. That was said to be the max they would pay anyone else.

Florida will have Campbell, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ekblad on the back end with Matheson and Mccoshen soon on the way. Bjugstad and Barkov down the middle for the next decade with Huberdeau on the wing.

They'll be pretty good pretty quick

On individual contracts. It was said by many people over and over that the cap on individual contracts is 6 mill. Hall/Ebs/Nuge. That was said to be the max they would pay anyone else.
- Iggysbff

I havent heard this.

Ive heard hockeybuzz posters say such, which I think is ridiculous."hall would be pissed cause player a gets more money"
If that were even remotely true, trade the fuker, cause hes holding us back from being a better team.

thinking we'd balk on toews cause he gets more money than hall is ludicrous.

Florida will have Campbell, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ekblad on the back end with Matheson and Mccoshen soon on the way. Bjugstad and Barkov down the middle for the next decade with Huberdeau on the wing.

They'll be pretty good pretty quick
- TheNugeIsHuge

fixed.

fixed.
- Morris

I doubt he leaves. He wants out but they want something significant and that contract is bad bad

and impressive group nonetheless

I havent heard this.

Ive heard hockeybuzz posters say such, which I think is ridiculous."hall would be pissed cause player a gets more money"
If that were even remotely true, trade the fuker, cause hes holding us back from being a better team.

thinking we'd balk on toews cause he gets more money than hall is ludicrous.
- hugefemale dog77

It's an interesting question. On one hand, they've made an effort to make 6 million the high watermark for signing. On the other hand, it's not like they signed Staal to the contract.

I doubt he leaves. He wants out but they want something significant and that contract is bad bad

and impressive group nonetheless
- TheNugeIsHuge

When players want out, they usually get out though.

Also, at a certain point wanting something significant gets trumped by the bad contract.

Every year we talk about Campbell. I'm sure there are teams that would be interested.

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- DDM-Coga

We should all post the fart gif as an uprising against the suppressors!

It's an interesting question. On one hand, they've made an effort to make 6 million the high watermark for signing. On the other hand, it's not like they signed Staal to the contract.
- Morris

It was the high water mark for our best player at THAT TIME. And it made sense.

Totally handcuffing yourself to not take into account; a rising future cap, the possibility of hall plateauing, the possibility of acquiring a better player etc. just makes no sense imo.

Florida will have Campbell, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ekblad on the back end with Matheson and Mccoshen soon on the way. Bjugstad and Barkov down the middle for the next decade with Huberdeau on the wing.

They'll be pretty good pretty quick
- TheNugeIsHuge

What's your point in saying this?