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Buffalo-Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:07 AM ET
Picked up from the TBL blog.

Stamkos, a generational player. Yes? No?

- ImThatGuy




Yes, he's just been in a situation where he hasn't gotten deep in the playoffs with his team. IE see Sidney Crosby 2010-2014.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:07 AM ET
Picked up from the TBL blog.

Stamkos, a generational player. Yes? No?

- ImThatGuy


Absolutely. I'd take him over Ovi and I'd consider Ovi a generational talent as well.
IceColdBeer
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The CLT, NC
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:08 AM ET
Picked up from the TBL blog.

Stamkos, a generational player. Yes? No?

- ImThatGuy


Yes. I would put Tavares up there as well. Imagine if he had a malkin?
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jun 18 @ 11:08 AM ET
Picked up from the TBL blog.

Stamkos, a generational player. Yes? No?

- ImThatGuy


Personally I'd reserve that moniker for someone who plays a more complete game.

he's definitely an amazing goal scorer, but his limited PK time makes me say no to the "player" part of the praise.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:09 AM ET
dion for leftovers
- IndianaSabresFan


Meyer's, 2nd, celery?
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:10 AM ET
Yes. I would put Tavares up there as well. Imagine if he had a malkin?
- IceColdBeer


I would not put Tavares up there. All-star yes, generational talent, no.

Stamkos had 3 staraight 40+ goal seasons. 2 of those were 50+, 1 being 60. Averages over 1 PPG. All under the age of 25.

Tavares high is 31. Averages .9 PPG
IceColdBeer
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:12 AM ET
I would not put Tavares up there. All-star yes, generational talent, no.

Stamkos had 3 staraight 40+ goal seasons. 2 of those were 50+, 1 being 60. Averages over 1 PPG. All under the age of 25.

Tavares high is 31. Averages .9 PPG

- ImThatGuy


Were grading him on talent, not production. I stand by my statement. If you watch the guy play he's a more complete player than Stamkos.
ImThatGuy
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Jun 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
Were grading him on talent, not production. I stand by my statement. If you watch the guy play he's a more complete player than Stamkos.
- IceColdBeer


If you had to choose one, who would it be?
IceColdBeer
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Jun 18 @ 11:18 AM ET
If you had to choose one, who would it be?
- ImThatGuy


Tavares easily, think he's a better leader and I have some bias due to his dad being a lax god in BUF

I do agree that stamkos is a better pure scorer and point producer though. I just think JT is a better player overall.
Buffalo-Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:21 AM ET
Absolutely. I'd take him over Ovi and I'd consider Ovi a generational talent as well.
- TheSabresTaco





Toews
Kane
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos
Mackinnon


I would definitely take those guys over Ovi.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:21 AM ET
Tavares easily, think he's a better leader and I have some bias due to his dad being a lax god in BUF

I do agree that stamkos is a better pure scorer and point producer though. I just think JT is a better player overall.

- IceColdBeer


For Me it is Stamkos. The goal of this game is to score more than the other team. Stamkos gets you that, year in and year out.

His production far outweighs the intangibles that Tavares brings, IMO.

To me its an easy decision, Stamkos.
IceColdBeer
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Jun 18 @ 11:23 AM ET
For Me it is Stamkos. The goal of this game is to score more than the other team. Stamkos gets you that, year in and year out.

His production far outweighs the intangibles that Tavares brings, IMO.

To me its an easy decision, Stamkos.

- ImThatGuy



Agree to disagree, both great players! Maybe i'm throwing generational talent around too loosely, but I love JT's game.
ImThatGuy
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Jun 18 @ 11:25 AM ET
Agree to disagree, both great players! Maybe i'm throwing generational talent around too loosely, but I love JT's game.
- IceColdBeer


I think that gets done by everyone, not just you.

Agreed on agree to disagree. Makes for good conversation.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
For Me it is Stamkos. The goal of this game is to score more than the other team. Stamkos gets you that, year in and year out.

His production far outweighs the intangibles that Tavares brings, IMO.

To me its an easy decision, Stamkos.

- ImThatGuy

There are 4 other players on the ice that can take up any defensive slack.
IndianaSabresFan
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Joined: 01.17.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
I think that gets done by everyone, not just you.

Agreed on agree to disagree. Makes for good conversation.

- ImThatGuy

maybe if you knew something about hockey we wouldn't have to agree to disagree..

IndianaSabresFan
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Joined: 01.17.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
There are 4 other players on the ice that can take up any defensive slack.
- cabin

5

unless miller is that 5th one.. he lets in softies *slowly walks backwards*
ImThatGuy
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Jun 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
maybe if you knew something about hockey we wouldn't have to agree to disagree..
- IndianaSabresFan


IDIOT!
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
IDIOT!
- ImThatGuy

True dat
Maximum Signal
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.11.2008

Jun 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
Tavares easily, think he's a better leader and I have some bias due to his dad being a lax god in BUF

I do agree that stamkos is a better pure scorer and point producer though. I just think JT is a better player overall.

- IceColdBeer


Not his Dad , His uncle
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
True dat
- SabresFaninIndiana

IceColdBeer
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.18.2011

Jun 18 @ 12:00 PM ET
Not his Dad , His uncle
- Maximum Signal



Doh, thanks.. I forgot to go on ancestry.com for this convo
IndianaSabresFan
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Jun 18 @ 12:00 PM ET

- ImThatGuy

i agree... ban his ass
ImThatGuy
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Jun 18 @ 12:16 PM ET
i agree... ban his ass
- IndianaSabresFan

cabin
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
5

unless miller is that 5th one.. he lets in softies *slowly walks backwards*

- IndianaSabresFan

I did have 5 in there but changed it . I think it was Millers influence that did it.
grand-magus
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Jun 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
Picked up from the TBL blog.

Stamkos, a generational player. Yes? No?

- ImThatGuy



First, let me say that I am NOT picking on you, starting with you, etc., but I think we are throwing this word "generational" around a bit too loosely lately.


Generational Talent - a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Is Stamkos one? Probably not.

Malkin? Probably not.

Kane? No.

Tavares? Nil (for all of us Futbol fans enjoying this World Cup immensely!).


Show me an Orr, Gretzky, Crosby, etc. and then we'll talk.


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