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Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 17 @ 7:11 PM ET
FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Jason Akeson ($0.715m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($1.250m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.90% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.350m—30.00%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,644,762; BONUSES: $1,712,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $455,238

- mochoson

Vinny>thomas
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Jun 17 @ 7:11 PM ET
The best move for the defense is to make the forward more balanced and better two-way.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree with this approach. It's not that improvements can't be made on the defense, but maybe the team could improve defensively more by strengthening the speed and defensive ability of their forwards while not costing them much in the way of assets
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 17 @ 7:13 PM ET
Coburn >>>>>>>> Streit, Amac, Grossmann, Schenn
- PhillySportsGuy


I say it again: Grown men will weep very real tears of sorrow if they trade Coburn and don't replace him

There would be nights when this fanbase would be in the fetal position for two-plus hours
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 17 @ 7:15 PM ET
Can we please stop reaping defense from the worst teams in the league?
- mayorofangrytown


Please god, this.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 17 @ 7:16 PM ET
Say what you want, I'd kill to have Tyler Myers
- mochoson


The only thing you'd be killing by bringing in Myers and getting rid of Coburn is our PO chances for the next couple of seasons.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 17 @ 7:18 PM ET
Have to like the off season so far however small the moves seem. Nice contract with Kimo, added Bellemare and in it for Sekac. Gillick was the master at getting small pieces to make up a team. Let's hope Hextall can do the same. One thing RAJ never understood. It doesn't have to be a monster deal to help the club.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:18 PM ET
I say it again: Grown men will weep very real tears of sorrow if they trade Coburn and don't replace him

There would be nights when this fanbase would be in the fetal position for two-plus hours

- AllInForFlyers


Hey look, MacDonald played 28 minutes vs the Kings...and Steve Mason's in the locker room with a rifle named Charlene yelling out his general orders in his underwear

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 17 @ 7:19 PM ET
Please god, this.
- Tomahawk


Erhoff isn't a replacement for Coburn, either; he'd fit nicely on the second pair, but really, you hit the nail on the head:

How in the world are we getting better by dealing our best defenseman, then replacing him with a guy who "led" the Sabres to the worst record in the league?

Sooner or later, this stuff does come back to bite you in the ass -- Coburn is just being undervalued for the hellacious minutes he eats so Mark Streit -- who I do like -- doesn't have to
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:22 PM ET
Have to like the off season so far however small the moves seem. Nice contract with Kimo, added Bellemare and in it for Sekac. Gillick was the master at getting small pieces to make up a team. Let's hope Hextall can do the same. One thing RAJ never understood. It doesn't have to be a monster deal to help the club.
- jstross


Sekac's really a sasquatch, living in the mountains of Germany. He doesn't really exist.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 17 @ 7:23 PM ET
Sekac's really a sasquatch, living in the mountains of Germany. He doesn't really exist.
- Jsaquella


LOL. it's funny though, several teams think they're in the lead to get him most notably the NJ and Philly.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 7:23 PM ET
The only thing you'd be killing by bringing in Myers and getting rid of Coburn is our PO chances for the next couple of seasons.
- Tomahawk


I disagree. I think it's a lateral move and were not really much better in the short term.

However, thats a move you make for the long term.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 17 @ 7:24 PM ET
Hey look, MacDonald played 28 minutes vs the Kings...and Steve Mason's in the locker room with a rifle named Charlene yelling out his general orders in his underwear


- Jsaquella


That first sentence makes me want to cry right now -- and I don't hate MacDonald

But let's call a spade a spade -- we move Coburn and eff up the return, that defense is gonna be sieve-like and the playoffs would be REAALY REALLY REALLY challenging to make
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 17 @ 7:24 PM ET
I disagree. I think it's a lateral move and were not really much better in the short term.

However, thats a move you make for the long term.

- mochoson


Myers is the Chris Gratton of defense.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 17 @ 7:24 PM ET
If the flyers trade coburn, the only prize the flyers have a chance of winning is Connor McDavid.
- FlyersSteve118


On the one hand, we wont find someone good enough to replace Coburn's Minutes... On the other he doesn't really play his minutes it that well. His playoff performance was a pretty good indication.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:25 PM ET
LOL. it's funny though, several teams think they're in the lead to get him most notably the NJ and Philly.
- jstross


Bill said he was a bottom six guy. Maybe he'll be more, but outside of some highlights I haven't seen much of him.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 17 @ 7:27 PM ET
Myers is the Chris Gratton of defense.
- Tomahawk




That's wrong on so many levels
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:31 PM ET
You've just been elected Mayor of Inebriated Town. Congratulations.

Rob Ford says, "Hi".

- Doc_Sarcasm

Man, I can't balance two schedules and party with Bobby too. What're you , trying to kill me?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:31 PM ET
That first sentence makes me want to cry right now -- and I don't hate MacDonald

But let's call a spade a spade -- we move Coburn and eff up the return, that defense is gonna be sieve-like and the playoffs would be REAALY REALLY REALLY challenging to make

- AllInForFlyers


I don't think it's a knock to call MacDonald a 4/5 guy. I don't hate him, I just think he took advantage of a situation and got a contract that is more than he is worth(if not in "market value" than in real value, remember the market value once said Jeff Finger was a $3mm a year defenseman). I think there are similar guys who they could have gotten more cheaply (contract wise, not trade wise).

I don't think he played especially bad overall, but he did struggle in the playoffs. With the right partner & some adjustments he can be a decent 4th defenseman who can be used on the PK, PP and play 16-18 minutes a night without killing a team.

Prior to the playoffs, I felt Stralman would have been a better choice in UFA, and possibly could have been signed for less. Now, he's a key UFA for the Rangers to keep and almost certainly will command a big contract. The key is to find the next Stralman and get him signed for a smaller deal, not to reward a guy with a 6 year $30mm deal for being a solid guy for 14 games or so.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 17 @ 7:37 PM ET
Bill said he was a bottom six guy. Maybe he'll be more, but outside of some highlights I haven't seen much of him.
- Jsaquella


Every article I read says the same thing. However if you upgrade your bottom six then maybe you can move Read onto the top 2 lines and Raffl can stay on the 3rd or 4th line for now. No more Rosehill!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 17 @ 7:38 PM ET
Hockey Prospect "NHL Scout comments" on Ho-Sang

"I'll be shocked if he goes in the 1st round"

"If he goes in the 1st round, that team gets what they deserve"

"I don't think we are interviewing him at the combine"
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 17 @ 7:38 PM ET
andy macdonald is going to emerge into a superstar
just wait
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:38 PM ET
Every article I read says the same thing. However if you upgrade your bottom six then maybe you can move Read onto the top 2 lines and Raffl can stay on the 3rd or 4th line for now. No more Rosehill!
- jstross


I agree, but I'd like to avoid a big deal for an unknown. If he signs for $900K, great. If he wants all sorts of potentially damaging bonuses and other perks, go find another Bellemare.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 7:39 PM ET
Hockey Prospect "NHL Scout comments" on Ho-Sang

"I'll be shocked if he goes in the 1st round"

"If he goes in the 1st round, that team gets what they deserve"

"I don't think we are interviewing him at the combine"

- ob18

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 17 @ 7:40 PM ET

- Jsaquella


I'm laughing as well, this was a worthwhile purchase.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 17 @ 7:40 PM ET
Wouldnt mind flipping Grossmann for a pick and then flipping the pick to the Hawks for Oduya. Hawks blogger says they're shopping him. Presumably trying to clear cap space for Towes and Kane. I like what Oduya brings.
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