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Mornin' fellas...

Golf has a valid point. They still were able to win two Cups without a true #2...but since the first Cup (where they had Sharpie there quite a bit) they've been unable to fill that spot and while Zeus did admirably last season it's still been a revolving door with Stan evening anointing Kane the #2 center at one point.

The Kings again exposed the problem. I'd love it if they got two more decent centermen, but we'll see what happens.

And yes despite being outplayed they came within a goal of another Cup.

I'm really interested to see what the Bowmans are going to do here.
- DK002

Frans Nielsen = 2nd line centre problem solved. You're welcome.

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- Elliots07

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Frans Nielsen = 2nd line centre problem solved. You're welcome.
- DarthKane

Sharp for Nielsen and Matt Martin


Or Leddy for Nielsen straight up


Ect ect

Frans Nielsen = 2nd line centre problem solved. You're welcome.
- DarthKane

Then what do you do to fill the hole you just created on D?

Then what do you do to fill the hole you just created on D?
- Ogilthorpe2

Leddy doesn't leave much of a hole, it shouldn't be too difficult to fill.

Both of those were "fill-ins" that worked - the "fill-ins" in 2011, 2012, 2014 didn't work.

If they don't get a true 2C somehow this summer, they're looking at another fill-in again for 2015 - Shaw - may work, maybe not - a Cup-contending team can't afford to keep trying chancy fill-ins.
- StLBravesFan

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who is the #2C next year (my money is still on Shaw-early/Teuvo-late). The Hawks do not have a problem scoring goals. The teams needs to improve in overall defense and be able to roll 4 lines. Those two things were exposed in the Kings series.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who is the #2C next year (my money is still on Shaw-early/Teuvo-late). The Hawks do not have a problem scoring goals. The teams needs to improve in overall defense and be able to roll 4 lines. Those two things were exposed in the Kings series.
- dan9189

Yeah that's a reasonable thing to say, but you don't want small centering small unless you have a really tough customer out there with Kane and TT to handle the dirtier jobs. I like TT as a center, but his size is an issue at the center position, even if he winds up being a good player. They need a larger digger who can finish to play with Kane and Saad and then we are talking.

Leddy doesn't leave much of a hole, it shouldn't be too difficult to fill.
- DarthKane

Still need to fill it. You looking at an aging vet, or a young hopeful?

Take your plan through to the end.

Leddy for Nielsen, and then...?

Yeah that's a reasonable thing to say, but you don't want small centering small unless you have a really tough customer out there with Kane and TT to handle the dirtier jobs. I like TT as a center, but his size is an issue at the center position, even if he winds up being a good player. They need a larger digger who can finish to play with Kane and Saad and then we are talking.
- DirkGraham

My guess it that TT will center #10/#81 and Kane will be on a line with #19/#20 whenever TT is up with the big club. FWIW if the Hawks do acquire another center in the next few weeks, I don't think it will be a big name guy. I think as JJ has said before it will be a professional center for the bottom 6 similar to guys like Madden and Zus.

Both of those were "fill-ins" that worked - the "fill-ins" in 2011, 2012, 2014 didn't work.

If they don't get a true 2C somehow this summer, they're looking at another fill-in again for 2015 - Shaw - may work, maybe not - a Cup-contending team can't afford to keep trying chancy fill-ins.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed 150%

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who is the #2C next year (my money is still on Shaw-early/Teuvo-late). The Hawks do not have a problem scoring goals. The teams needs to improve in overall defense and be able to roll 4 lines. Those two things were exposed in the Kings series.
- dan9189

Of course it matters - you can't have a major hole in your top-6 and try to make it up in your bottom 6.

Both problems are acute, IMO.

Kane had 6 goals in about 27 games after January 1: that's a rate of 18 over a full season: you can't continue to saddle him with a sub-par line.

Could Shaw / TT be the solution? Yeah - but neither is proven - how about the solution being a real 2C who has performed well there before?

Team defense? Get a couple of centers who play 200 feet - you only have 2 real centers on the team now.

Roll 4 lines? Get a couple of centers and have a bottom half of Shaw, Smith, Kruger, Bollig, Morin/Nordstrom/Someone and see how that works.

Please don't ignore 2C and think everything is fine on top - it isn't.

Of course it matters - you can't have a major hole in your top-6 and try to make it up in your bottom 6.

Both problems are acute, IMO.

Kane had 6 goals in about 27 games after January 1: that's a rate of 18 over a full season: you can't continue to saddle him with a sub-par line.

Could Shaw / TT be the solution? Yeah - but neither is proven - how about the solution being a real 2C who has performed well there before?

Team defense? Get a couple of centers who play 200 feet - you only have 2 real centers on the team now.

Roll 4 lines? Get a couple of centers and have a bottom half of Shaw, Smith, Kruger, Bollig, Morin/Nordstrom/Someone and see how that works.

Please don't ignore 2C and think everything is fine on top - it isn't.
- StLBravesFan

I agree it needs to be addressed but I don't think it was the main reason the Hawks lost to the Kings. Bad team defense and pretty much playing 9 forwards a game rank 1A and 1B on that list.

Sens fans think they can get Saad and Hjalmarsson for Spezza

That's akin to us thinking we could pick up Nielsen for Leddy

Of course it matters - you can't have a major hole in your top-6 and try to make it up in your bottom 6.

Both problems are acute, IMO.

Kane had 6 goals in about 27 games after January 1: that's a rate of 18 over a full season: you can't continue to saddle him with a sub-par line.

Could Shaw / TT be the solution? Yeah - but neither is proven - how about the solution being a real 2C who has performed well there before?

Team defense? Get a couple of centers who play 200 feet - you only have 2 real centers on the team now.



Roll 4 lines? Get a couple of centers and have a bottom half of Shaw, Smith, Kruger, Bollig, Morin/Nordstrom/Someone and see how that works.

Please don't ignore 2C and think everything is fine on top - it isn't.
- StLBravesFan

Fixed

Complete agreement. And I will say it again, the 2C needs to be at least 200 pounds. Doesn't need to be a beast, but does need to be large enough to be durable enough to do the job a good center is supposed to do w/o always being injured.

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Complete agreement. And I will say it again, the 2C needs to be at least 200 pounds. Doesn't need to be a beast, but does need to be large enough to be durable enough to do the job a good center is supposed to do w/o always being injured.
- DirkGraham

I see your point, I just don't see the Hawks going outside the organization to address that when they're #1 prospect is projected to be a top 6 center. I may be wrong though but like I said I expect them to get a real #3C via trade/UFA and TT will eventually be the #2C. SB's history says he doesn't make those types of drastic moves. Aside from trading Brian Campbell, he really hasn't done anything that would be considered shocking as a GM. I don't see that changing now.

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Still need to fill it. You looking at an aging vet, or a young hopeful?

Take your plan through to the end.

Leddy for Nielsen, and then...?
- Ogilthorpe2

Then...sign free agent Mark Fayne.

Sens fans think they can get Saad and Hjalmarsson for Spezza

That's akin to us thinking we could pick up Nielsen for Leddy
- Ogilthorpe2

Ignore them, they are all government employees who fill their daytime hours dreaming.

The truth is that the Senators are owned by a cheapskate who looks for a tax break or subsidy for everything he wants to do. He hangs up banners from their 1920's Stanley Cup teams which they probably found in a dumpster and wants people to believe they are the same organization and are carrying on the tradition.

Spezza wants out because he sees no winning future in Ottawa and isn't going to resign there ever. Murray will do the best he can in the trade - probably a draft pick and a good minor leaguer and cash.

Sens fans think they can get Saad and Hjalmarsson for Spezza

That's akin to us thinking we could pick up Nielsen for Leddy
- Ogilthorpe2

You mean Nielsen + for Leddy.

The way I am reading the tea leaves now, we may see this Rasmussen kid be the first 2C tryout. He has the pedigree, the size, and more experience than Teravainen at this point.

If that is the plan, I am cool with it as long as the 3C/4C they bring aboard is not 38, on fumes and slow.

Seems like the whole league knows what the Hawks want/need and they all seem to be asking for the same untouchable players. Given the lack of history of rostered value for value deals from the Hawk front office, seems like the only path is back to the dumpster to dive for lightning in a Thunderbird bottle for that bottom C role.

The way I am reading the tea leaves now, we may see this Rasmussen kid be the first 2C tryout. He has the pedigree, the size, and more experience than Teravainen at this point.

If that is the plan, I am cool with it as long as the 3C/4C they bring aboard is not 38, on fumes and slow.

Seems like the whole league knows what the Hawks want/need and they all seem to be asking for the same untouchable players. Given the lack of history of rostered value for value deals from the Hawk front office, seems like the only path is back to the dumpster to dive for lightning in a Thunderbird bottle for that bottom C role.
- Return of the Roar

That's a big risk....it's not the type of gamble a Cup contender takes. If #70 makes the team I imagine he'll start in the bottom 6. In the highly unlikely event that Nielsen is not our 2C next season and Stan wants to go the short term route to allow TT to develop I'd sign Mike Santorelli. He was on a 47 point pace before getting injured and he's likely sign for a reasonable about. He was over 50% on the draw and spent time on both special teams units. He's no Nielsen, but Santorelli could be a decent short term solution (if Stan goes that route).

The way I am reading the tea leaves now, we may see this Rasmussen kid be the first 2C tryout. He has the pedigree, the size, and more experience than Teravainen at this point.

If that is the plan, I am cool with it as long as the 3C/4C they bring aboard is not 38, on fumes and slow.

Seems like the whole league knows what the Hawks want/need and they all seem to be asking for the same untouchable players. Given the lack of history of rostered value for value deals from the Hawk front office, seems like the only path is back to the dumpster to dive for lightning in a Thunderbird bottle for that bottom C role.
- Return of the Roar

I really like it as a depth signing to "get bigger" but he hasn't played in 'Merica yet and that is kind of different than Europe. No pedigree (on small ice) but could be a solid addition to the third or 4th line. Speed, boards and cycle should be the focus of the 3rd and 4th lines IMO.

Frans Nielsen = 2nd line centre problem solved. You're welcome.
- DarthKane

Hey DK from DK...I'm all in on Nielson...if that's who they get...

What do you think of them taking a run at Stralman should Oduya be dealt?

Hey DK from DK...I'm all in on Neilson...if that's who they get...

What do you think of them taking a run at Stralman shold Oduya be dealt?
- DK002

It's official....Nielsen has the 2 DK and US seal of approval...make it happen Stan.

To be honest I don't know enough about Stalman to comment on him either way. My hope is that Oduya isn't dealt. Whatever money you'd give Stralman I'd rather use it to keep Oduya.