He is the same size as Kruger. He is a career 48% FO guy. He definitely isn't worth Sharp alone. Leddy or Oduya.
- Elbows15

It's because he's from Denmark isn't it....that's why you don't want Neilsen.

Do you have any confidence that Shaw can handle 2C for a full season?
- StLBravesFan

A lot more than Bickell being a 1st line winger, that is for sure.

Why? One is a top 4 puck moving dman for a cup winning/contending team. ......The other is a puck moving dman on cup winning/contending team with a high ceiling/potential. .....you have no defense and a player in nielsen who will probably leave in two years......I would do that deal in a second.
- UnnamedSource

All the reasons that you like Nielsen are the reasons that lots of people like him. I'm just guessing there's a better deal to be had out there.

If I were running the Isles, I'd want a Hjalmarsson type return. A 2/3 calibre D-man, or Leddy/Oduya+ Dalbeck.

It's because he's from Denmark isn't it....that's why you don't want Neilsen.
- DarthKane

Gramps once ate a bad cheese Danish. He's had a negative bias towards the Danish people ever since...

He is the same size as Kruger. He is a career 48% FO guy. He definitely isn't worth Sharp alone. Leddy or Oduya.
- Elbows15

You don't want a guy with an easy cap hit.....can slide between 2c and 3c.....play on both the pk and pp.....and can dish like very few in the league......and he's fast and can keep up in the transition game......

All the reasons that you like Nielsen are the reasons that lots of people like him. I'm just guessing there's a better deal to be had out there.

If I were running the Isles, I'd want a Hjalmarsson type return. A 2/3 calibre D-man, or Leddy/Oduya+ Dalbeck.
- Ogilthorpe2

Oduya and Morin for Neilsen.

6'1 190.....not smallish......Over 50% at the dot....Both PP and pk specialist.....
- UnnamedSource

He isn't over 50% at the dot. He has never exceeded 50%.

It's because he's from Denmark isn't it....that's why you don't want Neilsen.
- DarthKane

He's an anti-Dainite.

He's an anti-Daintite.
- Ogilthorpe2

sharp is a much better player than neilson. i would never do sharp for neilson without another good prospect coming back from NYI...Hawks first line LW and Canadian Olympian for a horrible team's 2nd line center...stan should be fired if he makes that deal
- EnzoD

If a lot of things:

If Nielsen improves the Hawks' second line
If he satisfies Kane
If Bickell can can handle 1LW for about 105 games
If Saad can handle 2LW for 105+ games

Then if the deal could be done, you get your 2C, solidify your top-6, help solidify your bottom 6, and create a couple million in cap relief.

He isn't over 50% at the dot. He has never exceeded 50%.
- Elbows15

You're correct. However, 47% career isn't the worst thing in the world either.

All the reasons that you like Nielsen are the reasons that lots of people like him. I'm just guessing there's a better deal to be had out there.

If I were running the Isles, I'd want a Hjalmarsson type return. A 2/3 calibre D-man, or Leddy/Oduya+ Dalbeck.
- Ogilthorpe2

He's not worth a top 3 dman....and I would do a mid level prospect or a pick with oduya or leddy

Oduya and Morin for Neilsen.
- EKolb13

Fine by me, but I doubt that gets it done.

A lot more than Bickell being a 1st line winger, that is for sure.
- Elbows15

Bickell has not succeeded at 1LW in the past.

Shaw has not succeeded at 2C in the past in a couple of tries (IIRC).

He isn't over 50% at the dot. He has never exceeded 50%.
- Elbows15

If you look at most of the Islander centers of the past few seasons most of them are under 50%, including Tavares.

Neilsen takes a lot of draws on the PK, matching up against the other team's top centers will have an impact on your stats. Last season Neilsen was 49.3% on the dot, he lost 16 more draws than he won. That's about 1 extra face off loss every 5 games.

Gramps once ate a bad cheese Danish. He's had a negative bias towards the Danish people ever since...
- EKolb13

Where is Beaver's picture of that Danish cheese from a couple of days ago?

He's not worth a top 3 dman....and I would do a mid level prospect or a pick with oduya or leddy
- UnnamedSource

See this is where you lose me.

You've been waxing on and on about just how good he is for weeks now, but then you say this. If he's the ideal 2C, then he is definitely worth a 3D.

You can't proclaim someone to be everything a team could possibly want in a 2C, and then say he doesn't have significant trade value.

You're correct. However, 47% career isn't the worst thing in the world either.
- EKolb13

It isn't the greatest either. He isn't being dealt here anyway.

If you look at most of the Islander centers of the past few seasons most of them are under 50%, including Tavares.

Neilsen takes a lot of draws on the PK, matching up against the other team's top centers will have an impact on your stats. Last season Neilsen was 49.3% on the dot, he lost 16 more draws than he won. That's about 1 extra face off loss every 5 games.
- DarthKane

So, a FO guy who can't win important FO? Or against other good FO guys? Its still not 50% is it?

He isn't being dealt here anyway.
- Elbows15

I know.

So, a FO guy who can't win important FO? Or against other good FO guys? Its still not 50% is it?
- Elbows15

Toews was less that 50% on the PK as well.

It isn't the greatest either. He isn't being dealt here anyway.
- Elbows15

Agreed, especially not for Leddy.

Bickell has not succeeded at 1LW in the past.

Shaw has not succeeded at 2C in the past in a couple of tries (IIRC).
- StLBravesFan

Looked pretty (frank)ing good in his last try out there to me.

Shaw just completed his first full season, Sage. Kid is 22. Don't you think its possible that he can improve?

Toews was less that 50% on the PK as well.
- DarthKane

What does that have to do with the price of beans?

Toews being below 50% doesn't do anything to make Neilsen's numbers any better.

See this is where you lose me.

You've been waxing on and on about just how good he is for weeks now, but then you say this. If he's the ideal 2C, then he is definitely worth a 3D.

You can't proclaim someone to be everything a team could possibly want in a 2C, and then say he doesn't have significant trade value.
- Ogilthorpe2

He is the player he is. ....he's not a spezza or that type of player......The reason for the waxing.....is he would require the least amount of compensation player and money wise and fill the role nicely.