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cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 8:50 PM ET
Sabretooth+Myearhofforenkomia plus full celery for Marchand
- sbroads24

Should be a 1st in there some where
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:53 PM ET
Should be a 1st in there some where
- cabin

Conditional 1st. They get it if Ehroffomyersrenkomiasekera bolts for the Ukraine
jaumiller
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ask not what Matt Ellis can do for you, ask what can you do for Matt Ellis. , NY
Joined: 12.06.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:53 PM ET
I figured you meant Brad, but tried to spin it on a player that I guess some feel LA could be moving away from. That idea seems crazy to me, but I guess if they feel Toffoli and Pearson are going to be vying for top-6 roles, Richards is expendable.
- thatsapickle

I don't think they should trade him but I think they will entertain offers from other teams. It's crazy to think that after winning two cups with him now all of a sudden they want to trade him.
jaumiller
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ask not what Matt Ellis can do for you, ask what can you do for Matt Ellis. , NY
Joined: 12.06.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:53 PM ET
Should be a 1st in there some where
- cabin

And some glue
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 8:54 PM ET
Conditional 1st. They get it if Ehroffomyersrenkomiasekera bolts for the Ukraine
- sbroads24

I knew it . just wasn't sure on the details .
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 8:55 PM ET
And some glue
- jaumiller

Details
grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:01 PM ET
Sabretooth+Myearhofforenkomia plus full celery for Marchand
- sbroads24





And don't forget Vern Fiddler.

Nothing says "hockey" like a redneck
LA_Kings6720
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Kings fan since '96 ticket holder since '98 Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jun 16 @ 9:05 PM ET
We will stink next year unless we make MANY big changes
Your comment is ridiculous
Anyone we add NOW, can also help in the future...
Right?!

When exactly do u think we are gonna be a good team again?
Minimum 2yrs, prob closer to 4
Pitt didn't get to the cup the year after they drafted Crosby
Neither did the Hawks with Kane
Its still gonna take a few years no matter who we draft

- jdfitz77

if buffalo is in rebuild or retool mode I would want to be the worst team.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:08 PM ET
if buffalo is in rebuild or retool mode I would want to be the worst team.
- LA_Kings6720

We did that this past season. Now without Miller we will end up worse. 31st place here we come .
Cup Crazy '07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:09 PM ET
Why in God's name would anyone consider buying out Leino normally? Perhaps it is only a little over a mil per season in the last 3 years, but why would we want to deal with that when that is supposed to be the time we are going to be good? Compliance buy him out, and get to the floor another way....it shouldn't be that hard to do.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:12 PM ET
Why in God's name would anyone consider buying out Leino normally? Perhaps it is only a little over a mil per season in the last 3 years, but why would we want to deal with that when that is supposed to be the time we are going to be good? Compliance buy him out, and get to the floor another way....it shouldn't be that hard to do.
- Cup Crazy '07

We have professional Hockey Analists on here that think otherwise. They have a voice but thank god no one can hear it.
LA_Kings6720
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Kings fan since '96 ticket holder since '98 Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jun 16 @ 9:14 PM ET
We did that this past season. Now without Miller we will end up worse. 31st place here we come .
- cabin

I hope a team like DET, NJ, VAN OR FLA DOESNT get McDavid!
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:19 PM ET
I hope a team like DET, NJ, VAN OR FLA DOESNT get McDavid!
- LA_Kings6720

The lottery makes it a crap shoot . All ya need to do is miss the playoffs. All you listed will have a chance at him.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 16 @ 9:27 PM ET
And trade Myer's and eat half his celery.
- grand-magus

I prefer cabbage
Cup Crazy '07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:32 PM ET
We have professional Hockey Analists on here that think otherwise. They have a voice but thank god no one can hear it.
- cabin


I just don't feel it should be that hard to reach the ceiling. We are talking about a whopping 2+ million that a regular buy-out would give us on the cap. We seriously can't find a veteran who will sign a 1-year deal to take care of that? Why hamstring ourselves for 5 more years because of that? To me, it seems INSANE!!!

I hope you're right about the voice...haha!
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
I hope a team like DET, NJ, VAN OR FLA DOESNT get McDavid!
- LA_Kings6720


toronto
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:08 PM ET
toronto
- Herzeleid

F them
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:34 PM ET
The lottery makes it a crap shoot . All ya need to do is miss the playoffs. All you listed will have a chance at him.
- cabin

Yea bUT mcdavid and echel is the best one two punch since OV and malkin,
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:07 PM ET
I hope Girgensons turns into a hard hitting 50 point guy . That is where I envision him . Not fair to compare Girgensons numbers to O'Reilly . Girgensons is still learning and has a lot less talent around him.
- Maximum Signal


That's what others are doing... Not me
Its not smart to expect that's what Girgensons will turn into
Of course we all HOPE he will
And he's shown limited signs
But not enough for me to not want to get a guy like O'Reilly if he becomes available
And if Girgensons works out, and Bennett or Reinhart develops into a "bergeron" and we traded for O'Reilly...
That's not a problem for me at all
I think it would be 3 great pieces on a cup winning roster

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:15 PM ET
if buffalo is in rebuild or retool mode I would want to be the worst team.
- LA_Kings6720


Me too
Even if we add O'Reilly, I still expect us to be the worst NHL team next year
Even if he replaces what we lost with Moulson/Vanek, we still have no legitimate captain and no Miller
Unless we make a bunch of significant changes, we are still gonna stink... Bad
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:16 PM ET
Penguins made the playoffs Malkin's rookie year. The only reason it looks like a while on paper was the hold up in getting Malkin to come over from the KHL and the lockout.

Malkin + Crosby turned them from bottom dweller to division contender (2pts back of NJ for the title) instantly.

- Sabresfan-365

Pittsburgh had 5 lottery picks in a row before they made the playoffs.
They still got staal at 2nd overall after drafting generational talents crosby and malkin
Maximum Signal
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2008

Jun 16 @ 11:19 PM ET
That's what others are doing... Not me
Its not smart to expect that's what Girgensons will turn into
Of course we all HOPE he will
And he's shown limited signs
But not enough for me to not want to get a guy like O'Reilly if he becomes available
And if Girgensons works out, and Bennett or Reinhart develops into a "bergeron" and we traded for O'Reilly...
That's not a problem for me at all
I think it would be 3 great pieces on a cup winning roster

- jdfitz77


No to O'Reilly - not worth the assets they will want for him. Not the right timing for that sort of move . And lastly and most important - No way he is leaving Denver.
And it is not realistic to have expectations of Girgensons ? What do people do every day projecting one player or another as another so and so. Tim Murray has a plan whether you like or not and I doubt he makes the major move you seem to be looking for in O'Reilly or Mr Glue Callahan - At this time . No doubt moves will be made when the time is right . But hiis biggest priority has always been 2015 draft and he has pretty clear about that . Why is he going to do anything to endanger that . Even to placate a few fans that want something major now ?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:21 PM ET
That's what others are doing... Not me
Its not smart to expect that's what Girgensons will turn into
Of course we all HOPE he will
And he's shown limited signs
But not enough for me to not want to get a guy like O'Reilly if he becomes available
And if Girgensons works out, and Bennett or Reinhart develops into a "bergeron" and we traded for O'Reilly...
That's not a problem for me at all
I think it would be 3 great pieces on a cup winning roster

- jdfitz77


$6.5 to $7 million is way too much for that type of player, even if the scenario you lay out comes to fruition. And he probably will get even more than that if he goes to UFA in a year or two.
Jammerz04
Buffalo Sabres
Location: K, BC
Joined: 01.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 11:27 PM ET
While you are right they didn't "tank" and draft top 3 multiple years in a row, they did in fact win 2 cups because of top 5 draft picks.

Brayden Schenn was drafted 5th overall and was the main piece to aquire Richards
Doughty was 2nd overall
Jack Johnson was a former 3rd overall pick who was the main piece in getting Jeff Carter.

Bottom line is that if they don't draft top 5 or have those caliber prospects in their system they don't make the cup finals let alone win 2

- sbroads24


Nicely said.
Jammerz04
Buffalo Sabres
Location: K, BC
Joined: 01.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 11:31 PM ET
And Erhoff won't go west . So that don't work.
- Maximum Signal


It's not totally Ehrhoff's call. He has to have a list of 10 teams he won't accept a trade to. So in reality not every West team can be on it.
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