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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 9:22 PM ET
Oh god yes...Khabibulin played like a man possessed that spring.
- Jsaquella



Cam Ward .920
Nik Khabibulin .933
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:26 PM ET
Just the friendly, occasional reminder that this (frank)ing happened:


- Giroux_Is_God


Greatest. Vine. Ever.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:26 PM ET
People talk about Schenn being more along offensively, but Couturier had 7 fewer goals and only two fewer points, playing against far better competition in a shutdown role an with a lot less PP time.

I think if Couturier got the kind of useage Schenn got, he might be the one with 20 goals

- Jsaquella


I agree. Another reason why I'd like to improve the two-way play of the 2nd and 4th lines.

It would be nice to give Couts more offensive opportunities and use him on the PP a bit more. I feel like Berube never used him on the PP because he was afraid of throwing out any other line after a failed PP.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:27 PM ET
Cam Ward .920
Nik Khabibulin .933

- Tomahawk


Didn't they almost do the same thing with Roloson too?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 16 @ 9:27 PM ET
Greatest. Vine. Ever.
- Jsaquella

It really (frank)ing is jsaq. It really is
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:27 PM ET
Cam Ward .920
Nik Khabibulin .933

- Tomahawk


Still a bit surprised he didn't get the Smythe. He was dominant for two rounds and damned good for the next two
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:28 PM ET
It really (frank)ing is jsaq. It really is
- Giroux_Is_God


I crack up every time I see it. All hyped then, ass over tea kettle
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:29 PM ET
I agree. Another reason why I'd like to improve the two-way play of the 2nd and 4th lines.

It would be nice to give Couts more offensive opportunities and use him on the PP a bit more. I feel like Berube never used him on the PP because he was afraid of throwing out any other line after a failed PP.

- PhillySportsGuy


He did get some PP time, but it was like 1:16 per game...Schenn was over 2 minutes. I had exact numbers other day, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain in the ass to look up the numbers on NHL's mobile site.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:35 PM ET
He did get some PP time, but it was like 1:16 per game...Schenn was over 2 minutes. I had exact numbers other day, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain in the ass to look up the numbers on NHL's mobile site.
- Jsaquella


Yeah. Those numbers are accurate. I feel like Couts minutes came at the end of a PP when Berube threw out the 3rd line with 10-15 seconds left. I don't recall him being a regular on the PP for any extended period of time.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 9:35 PM ET
Didn't they almost do the same thing with Roloson too?
- PhillySportsGuy


Jeez, yeah.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 16 @ 9:38 PM ET
There was no part of the post, it was one general point. You basically cut a sentence in half & turned an example of the importance of puck support & stressing possession into an attack on Grossmann....and then went on to make the exact same point I was making in an attempt to disagree.
- Jsaquella

Why bother? Seriously, it's the ONLY thing he has in life. He spends every waking moment on this site. Don't get roped into his little games he likes to play. It sad and pathetic, things you are not my good man.
Roytastic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 06.18.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:46 PM ET
Cam Ward .920
Nik Khabibulin .933

- Tomahawk



I guess ward just sticks out in my mind because he made a few game saving saves that he had no right making.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:47 PM ET
Just the friendly, occasional reminder that this (frank)ing happened:


- Giroux_Is_God



i have become a big fan
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 16 @ 9:49 PM ET
i have become a big fan
- -davies-

quite litrilly the funniest thing ever
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
quite litrilly the funniest thing ever
- Giroux_Is_God


It looks like it was choreographed
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:02 PM ET
It looks like it was choreographed
- PhillySportsGuy

Not only that, but it looks like it was planned
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:05 PM ET
Not only that, but it looks like it was planned
- Giroux_Is_God

ugh he is such a stud
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:11 PM ET
A lot of people didn't like the rumor of B. Schenn and Coburn for Perron and (Klefbom or Marincin). I understand Coburn's value. Lets augment, in a big way, this deal for Philly.

Lecavalier and Coburn for
Perron, (Marincin or Klefbom) and pick #91.

Would you do it?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 10:22 PM ET
A lot of people didn't like the rumor of B. Schenn and Coburn for Perron and (Klefbom or Marincin). I understand Coburn's value. Lets augment, in a big way, this deal for Philly.

Lecavalier and Coburn for
Perron, (Marincin or Klefbom) and pick #91.

Would you do it?

- jstross



Would you trade Voracek and Ghost/Morin for Sam Gagner, Andrew Ference and a 4th?

That's basically the trade you just proposed, flipped around...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:24 PM ET
A lot of people didn't like the rumor of B. Schenn and Coburn for Perron and (Klefbom or Marincin). I understand Coburn's value. Lets augment, in a big way, this deal for Philly.

Lecavalier and Coburn for
Perron, (Marincin or Klefbom) and pick #91.

Would you do it?

- jstross


That's a huge bit of augmentation.

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:29 PM ET
That's a huge bit of augmentation.


- Jsaquella


I agree. However, this is for those that won't part with Coburn. This deal equally hamstrings the defense, but leaves the club in a better position to satisfy the caveat:as long as a top Dman is acquired. I'm sure GM's go back and forth. I wanted to see if some posters would budge.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:33 PM ET
I'm just wondering if Hexy can move some contracts out and take a run at potentially Nikitin. I figure it is going to cost somewhere around 4 yrs between $13-$16 million. I think there could be some real value in taking a run at him. He is pretty buried on depth chart for Columbus as #5 d-man. I would figure they don't want to spend close to $4 million/yr on him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:39 PM ET
I agree. However, this is for those that won't part with Coburn. This deal equally hamstrings the defense, but leaves the club in a better position to satisfy the caveat:as long as a top Dman is acquired. I'm sure GM's go back and forth. I wanted to see if some posters would budge.
- jstross


They still need to add at least one defenseman the way I look at it. They could go with Timonen, Coburn, MacDonald, Streit, Grossmann & Schenn again as the top six, but that's really not appealing to me.

IMO, you have 1 legitimate top pair guy (Coburn) and he's more a 2/3 than a 1/2 guy. Timonen is arguably still a 2/3 and Streit is a 3/4 with right partner. To me Grossmann, MacDonald & Schenn are all 4/5 guys.

It's not a completely horrid defense, but it's definitely not a strong defense. Ideally, I'd like to move one of Schenn or Grossmann (preferably Grossmann due to age and injury issues) and bring in a more well wounded guy, like Mark Fayne, who can do more and might cost less money. Still leaves them with out a true number one guy, though.

But moving Coburn out, without another deal in hand, means a top six of Timonen, Streit, MacDonald, Grossmann, Schenn and a rookie(Klefbom, Marincin, Gostisbehere, Alt, Morin or Hagg)...That's not good.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:42 PM ET
I'm just wondering if Hexy can move some contracts out and take a run at potentially Nikitin. I figure it is going to cost somewhere around 4 yrs between $13-$16 million. I think there could be some real value in taking a run at him. He is pretty buried on depth chart for Columbus as #5 d-man. I would figure they don't want to spend close to $4 million/yr on him.
- ravishingone


He's one of the UFAs on my list. Biggest concern is health. He's missed 43 games the last three seasons, but he's definitely a solid guy who has decent mobility.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:43 PM ET
That's a huge bit of augmentation.


- Jsaquella


An example. I responded to an add today about a car. Add said 20K. Contacted the rep and he came back with 23K. Said sorry, his response, how do I get your business? My response, honor the original add excluding the fine print by giving me the difference on my trade-in. If the car or equivalent is there on June 30, done deal. Helps I don't need to do a deal, but saw a good entry point for negotiations. Of course this could fall through.
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