Seriously. Aside from Kane their biggest forwards since Kovy left have been Andrew Ladd and Olli Jokinen. Jesus F'n Christ on a bicycle.
- hereticpride

i think they actually have some decent assets on that team. but again, its just hard to put it together without having that top line, or fairly close to it, center.

Mock Draft by Patrick King

Has the Flyers going with Travis Sanheim

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...for-florida-in-nhl-draft/
- ob18

Holy poop, he has a lot of D men going in the first round.

And he has Nashville taking another one.

I didn't disagree with that part of the post. I disagreed with the part about a player like Grossmann only being able to chip or dump the puck out.
- MJL

There was no part of the post, it was one general point. You basically cut a sentence in half & turned an example of the importance of puck support & stressing possession into an attack on Grossmann....and then went on to make the exact same point I was making in an attempt to disagree.

maybe im wrong, but it seems like you just made the best possible case for him being the MVP right there.
- stayinthefnnet

Maybe but the point I've also made is the Pens can score even if Crosby is unable to play. Someone said earlier today Crosby takes on a heavier work loud then anyone else. I'm not sure that he does. Unless he's both checking top lines and scoring on them. I totally agree with everyone he's the more superior player then most he plays against and with...

Mock Draft by Patrick King

Has the Flyers going with Travis Sanheim

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...for-florida-in-nhl-draft/
- ob18

I'd rather have McKeown if we go defense.

Mock Draft by Patrick King

Has the Flyers going with Travis Sanheim

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...for-florida-in-nhl-draft/
- ob18

I am torn in a way. Do believe in a patient approach but I do think the current squad desperately lacks elite talent on that back end and even to a degree up front.

Really do wonder what it would take to get a top 3 pick.

i think they actually have some decent assets on that team. but again, its just hard to put it together without having that top line, or fairly close to it, center.
- stayinthefnnet

Time to move on from Bryan Little, methinks.

The only reason I could see it happening is Hextall's comments about giving us a window of years to win the cup. We won't be fielding a Stanley Cup caliber defense until some of the guys we drafted or will draft make the roster. Coburn has value now to rework our defensive core, and, if he is 33-35 by the time we get out defensive core sorted, does that give us enough of a window to win the cup. This also assumes we can resign him for a good price at the end of his current deal.
- aflyerpower8

I have a hard time thinking that this Organization is going to sit back and wait 3-5 years for the young defenseman to develop, without trying to bolster the team. While also wasting 3-5 years of players such as Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds. While players like Hartnell, Streit, and others all get older. And that is best case scenario, unless one of them develops to be able to play at high level faster. Which is certainly possible, but not likely. And there is always the possibility that they don't develop. Then what?

Mock Draft by Patrick King

Has the Flyers going with Travis Sanheim

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...for-florida-in-nhl-draft/
- ob18

It's so hard this year to do a mock...so much fluidity after the top 10-12, one guy could have a dude going 15 and another could have the same dude at 25.

There was no part of the post, it was one general point. You basically cut a sentence in half & turned an example of the importance of puck support & stressing possession into an attack on Grossmann....and then went on to make the exact same point I was making in an attempt to disagree.
- Jsaquella

At least he's disagreeing with you and not around you. It kind of sucks having someone tell you you're wrong through responses of other posts you're responding to.

I want the Flyers to put Couturier in a more favourable position next season.

Either he gets bumped up to 2nd line center and they sign a FA to center the 3rd shutdown line, or he doesn't get such heavy matchups continuously going up against the top members of the other team.

Do think if they continue the approach they have been doing, you are going to stunt the kid into a pure defensive player. Sure playing him against the top lines each game gives you a better chance to win 'this year' but developing him more and allowing him a better chance to grow an offensive game will help this club drastically in the future imo.

I am torn in a way. Do believe in a patient approach but I do think the current squad desperately lacks elite talent on that back end and even to a degree up front.

Really do wonder what it would take to get a top 3 pick.
- flyer_nutter

Moving up for a top 5 pick this year I just don't see a trade that would end up working in our favor.

If a guy like Richie is still on the board at 8 I would seriously consider making a move.

Time to move on from Bryan Little, methinks.
- Tomahawk

It's going to be interesting when Cheveldayoff actually makes a significant trade. How many third year GMs are as big of an enigma? Is he shrewd & patient or guy shy? He did a good job at lower levels, but he seems hesitant as a NHL GM

Maybe but the point I've also made is the Pens can score even if Crosby is unable to play. Someone said earlier today Crosby takes on a heavier work loud then anyone else. I'm not sure that he does. Unless he's both checking top lines and scoring on them. I totally agree with everyone he's the more superior player then most he plays against and with...
- SuperSchennBros

he was forced to do exactly that this year. nothing like that shut down line of crosby, glass, and adams.

okay crosby, next shift. now i need you to go out with brian gibbons and score.

im not going to say crosby is toews defensivey, but for the pens, especially this year. they worked him like he was.

to have to form some short of shut down line on a lot of occasions dragging those trash cans around, while still having the ability to take, as you said, anyone, minor league guy or not, and put them in position to score (to the tune of being the only individual in the league to break 100, when no one else broke 90).

At least he's disagreeing with you and not around you. It kind of sucks having someone tell you you're wrong through responses of other posts you're responding to.
- SuperSchennBros

Kind of ironic you chose a post directly to him to say this.

Time to move on from Bryan Little, methinks.
- Tomahawk

haha yeah. easier said than done of course.

but still. ladd and wheeler are both decent wingers. id love either. knae is grossly talented.

then trouba, morrisey, ect.

but still, they just need that top center.

I have a hard time thinking that this Organization is going to sit back and wait 3-5 years for the young defenseman to develop, without trying to bolster the team. While also wasting 3-5 years of players such as Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds. While players like Hartnell, Streit, and others all get older. And that is best case scenario, unless one of them develops to be able to play at high level faster. Which is certainly possible, but not likely. And there is always the possibility that they don't develop. Then what?
- MJL

Not a personal thing, but if they cant wait a few years to develop a consistent top tier team, and do it properly they deserve to have losing shoved up their ass.

The draft picks, need to have a much higher internal value to this club. I think, well for me anyway, you have to accept when you just wont be good enough. They need a hell of a lot more elite, and less mediocre on that back end. The days of buying that in FA seem to be at an end.

Hopefully a trade that makes sense can help open that window earlier but I don't see it myself. Praying for Josi.

I am torn in a way. Do believe in a patient approach but I do think the current squad desperately lacks elite talent on that back end and even to a degree up front.

Really do wonder what it would take to get a top 3 pick.
- flyer_nutter

I think you can have the best of both worlds. The ability to properly evaluate prospects beyond the first round has been the biggest down fall of the organization for over two decades. Hexy has to find a way to improve the evaluation process.

As far as the current club, there are enough pieces in place right now to be very competitive in the Eastern Conference. Do they need tweaking? Sure. I think Mason will be even better this year. A goaltender for the Flyers who is starting to enter his prime. That has been a long time coming.

Holy poop, he has a lot of D men going in the first round.

And he has Nashville taking another one.
- hereticpride

Wouldn't mind Sanheim at all, I'd like more of a shooter/sniper but if he's the best on their board I roll with him.

haha yeah. easier said than done of course.

but still. ladd and wheeler are both decent wingers. id love either. knae is grossly talented.

then trouba, morrisey, ect.

but still, they just need that top center.
- stayinthefnnet

Scheifele is the hope of that. Thing with saying move on from Little is who do you replace him with? Moves to just make a move are meh.

At least he's disagreeing with you and not around you. It kind of sucks having someone tell you you're wrong through responses of other posts you're responding to.
- SuperSchennBros

if this is alluding to me, im confused.

if not, my apologies

It's so hard this year to do a mock...so much fluidity after the top 10-12, one guy could have a dude going 15 and another could have the same dude at 25.
- Jsaquella

Oh I know but he's one of the more respect people who follows these players year round..........that's why I posted it.

Any mock is a shot in the dark.

I think you can have the best of both worlds. The ability to properly evaluate prospects beyond the first round has been the biggest down fall of the organization for over two decades. Hexy has to find a way to improve the evaluation process.

As far as the current club, there are enough pieces in place right now to be very competitive in the Eastern Conference. Do they need tweaking? Sure. I think Mason will be even better this year. A goaltender for the Flyers who is starting to enter his prime. That has been a long time coming.
- ravishingone

I have a high distaste for clubs who are 'competitive' but don't have enough to get over that hump. The aim should be at building a team that can beat the best, not one that can compete.

That whole thing of anything can happen if you make the playoffs is horsepoop in my eyes. Luck happens, but odds play out at the end of most days to me.

I want the Flyers to put Couturier in a more favourable position next season.

Either he gets bumped up to 2nd line center and they sign a FA to center the 3rd shutdown line, or he doesn't get such heavy matchups continuously going up against the top members of the other team.

Do think if they continue the approach they have been doing, you are going to stunt the kid into a pure defensive player. Sure playing him against the top lines each game gives you a better chance to win 'this year' but developing him more and allowing him a better chance to grow an offensive game will help this club drastically in the future imo.
- flyer_nutter

I agree and disagree at the same time. I think Berube tried to get our best defensive forward's offense by placing him on the Power Play. Unfortunately I didn't think he was very good on the Power Play and eventually he was taken off. It's going to be tough to simply replace Couturier with another checking center. We hit the jackpot when he was able to check right away in his rookie season. Is it fair to expect the same from Laughton? I find it unlikely that we dip into the free agent market for a checking center.

Scheifele is the hope of that. Thing with saying move on from Little is who do you replace him with? Moves to just make a move are meh.
- flyer_nutter

yeah. i dont know a ton about scheifele, and it seems early for him anyway.

honestly, they dont seem to have an awful plan.

and yeah. i agree. it would be awesome to upgrade little, but a number one center is sort of line the defender argument. unless you draft your own, its hard to get them.