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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 3:43 PM ET
As much as I dislike Avery, I did find this pretty amusing.


- PLindbergh31


I didn't. I thought it was bush-league, even for him.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 16 @ 3:44 PM ET
I know this may not be popular opinion but I loved Avery when he wasn't playing the Flyers. I thought he was entertaining as hell.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 16 @ 3:44 PM ET
I know it rubs some people the wrong way, but I love how *ahem* "honest" Stewie is when giving his feelings on other hockey peoples.
- BulliesPhan87


Stewie cracks me up. He is also very active and engaged on Facebook, which was where this original "discussion"is taking place as I write.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 3:46 PM ET
P sure you can reaquire your own pick to make it work
- BulliesPhan87

It was several CBAs ago and things change but when the Flyers reacquired their 1st round picks in the Gratton deal they weren't allowed to use the picks in the coming years as compensation for free agent deals because they were no longer considered theirs by the league.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 16 @ 3:50 PM ET
Dmitry Kulikov for Braydn schenn
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 16 @ 3:52 PM ET
Dmitry Kulikov for Braydn schenn
- Winning

I was all about that last off season.. Not so sure this year.. I think we have a good out look, and I think Schenn is a really solid player... I like Kulikov a lot, but I dont know if he is worth Schenn..
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 3:54 PM ET
I know this may not be popular opinion but I loved Avery when he wasn't playing the Flyers. I thought he was entertaining as hell.
- JonnyHammerstix


He was divisive. Most teams he left were ecstatic to have him gone.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 16 @ 3:57 PM ET
With P.A Parenteau being shopped, I hope the Flyers go after him. On Reddit, when a Colorado fan asked what could be had for Parenteau, a Montreal fan responded that they were looking at " (a defenseman) along the lines of Grossmann, McQuaid or Fayne." and a low pick. That is a move I could really get behind.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 3:59 PM ET
With P.A Parenteau being shopped, I hope the Flyers go after him. On Reddit, when a Colorado fan asked what could be had for Parenteau, a Montreal fan responded that they were looking at " (a defenseman) along the lines of Grossmann, McQuaid or Fayne." and a low pick. That is a move I could really get behind.
- JAKEw1234


Yeah, I'd jump at that if I was the Flyers-Grossmann and a 3rd for Parenteau? Giddyap

EDIT: even the cap implications are great, just $500K more for PA than Grossmann
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 16 @ 4:01 PM ET
He was divisive. Most teams he left were ecstatic to have him gone.
- Jsaquella



I bet they were. Let me clarify what I meant when I said I loved Avery. I absolutely hated him as a player but his antics were so unbelievably over the top that I couldnt look away from them. Just like a terrible car accident on the side of the road. He was very entertaining to watch when your team wasn't involved. There will never be a pest/agitator like him ever again (probably for the better I guess)
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
Yeah, I'd jump at that if I was the Flyers-Grossmann and a 3rd for Parenteau? Giddyap

EDIT: even the cap implications are great, just $500K more for PA than Grossmann

- Jsaquella

I think a 3rd counts as a high pick. I believe the Montreal fan was implying a 4th or 5th
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
I bet they were. Let me clarify what I meant when I said I loved Avery. I absolutely hated him as a player but his antics were so unbelievably over the top that I couldnt look away from them. Just like a terrible car accident on the side of the road. He was very entertaining to watch when your team wasn't involved. There will never be a pest/agitator like him ever again (probably for the better I guess)
- JonnyHammerstix


Oh yeah, his antics were a source of bemusement...I was just glad he never landed in Philly.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
I think a 3rd counts as a high pick. I believe the Montreal fan was implying a 4th or 5th
- JAKEw1234


4th or 5th? I'll volunteer to drive out to Denver and pick up Parenteau.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 4:04 PM ET
With P.A Parenteau being shopped, I hope the Flyers go after him. On Reddit, when a Colorado fan asked what could be had for Parenteau, a Montreal fan responded that they were looking at " (a defenseman) along the lines of Grossmann, McQuaid or Fayne." and a low pick. That is a move I could really get behind.
- JAKEw1234


Ideally, you'd want to bring in somebody a bit faster/hardier than Parenteau. IMO, he and Akeson are essentially the same kind of player... might as well just stick with the cheaper in-house option.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 16 @ 4:05 PM ET

Vinny Lecavalier
Nicklas Grossmann
2014 1st
for
Dmitri Kulikov
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:05 PM ET
Bruins say that Shawn Thronton will not be offered a new deal and Dallas says that Ray Whitney, Tim Thomas and Vern Fiddler will all be free agents. They reportedly made an offer to Fiddler, but he opted to test the waters
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:06 PM ET


Cap Hit of offer sheet

Draft Pick Compensation




$1,110,249 or below

None



Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194

Third-round pick



Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391

Second-round pick



Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585

First-round and third-round pick



Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781

First-round, second-round and third-round pick



Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976

Two first-round picks, second-round pick, third-round pick



Over $8,410,976

Four first-round picks


Any RFA's you might be able to offer a OS where the other team might have to think. Maybe something where you only surrender a 2nd round pick for high upside as an example a guy like Larsen in NJ.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 4:06 PM ET
Ideally, you'd want to bring in somebody a bit faster/hardier than Parenteau. IMO, he and Akeson are essentially the same kind of player... might as well just stick with the cheaper in-house option.
- Tomahawk



Until Akeson puts up nearly 50 assists in a Season, or scores at close to a point a game pace in the NHL, they aren't essentially the same player. Not even close. Akeson would have to prove that.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
Oh yeah, his antics were a source of bemusement...I was just glad he never landed in Philly.
- Jsaquella



Had to google the definition for that . Definately a good word to describe him.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
Vinny Lecavalier
Nicklas Grossmann
2014 1st
for
Dmitri Kulikov

- Winning



You better be getting a winger back in that deal. I would do it for Gudbranson but seems a lot for RFA kulikov
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
Until Akeson puts up nearly 50 assists in a Season, or scores at close to a point a game pace in the NHL, they aren't essentially the same player. Not even close. Akeson would have to prove that.
- MJL


Reading comprehension needs work... said same kind, not same.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
Ideally, you'd want to bring in somebody a bit faster/hardier than Parenteau. IMO, he and Akeson are essentially the same kind of player... might as well just stick with the cheaper in-house option.
- Tomahawk


Injuries would be my only concern, actually. Parenteau is a pretty solid guy when healthy.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:08 PM ET
I bet they were. Let me clarify what I meant when I said I loved Avery. I absolutely hated him as a player but his antics were so unbelievably over the top that I couldnt look away from them. Just like a terrible car accident on the side of the road. He was very entertaining to watch when your team wasn't involved. There will never be a pest/agitator like him ever again (probably for the better I guess)
- JonnyHammerstix

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 16 @ 4:09 PM ET
Cap Hit of offer sheet

Draft Pick Compensation




$1,110,249 or below

None



Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194

Third-round pick



Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391

Second-round pick



Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585

First-round and third-round pick



Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781

First-round, second-round and third-round pick



Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976

Two first-round picks, second-round pick, third-round pick



Over $8,410,976

Four first-round picks


Any RFA's you might be able to offer a OS where the other team might have to think. Maybe something where you only surrender a 2nd round pick for high upside as an example a guy like Larsen in NJ.

- J35Bacher


Simon Despres from the Pens, which was actually suggested by a Pens blogger on twitter
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 16 @ 4:09 PM ET
Injuries would be my only concern, actually. Parenteau is a pretty solid guy when healthy.
- Jsaquella


Solid, yes. He's 31 and not sure he fills our needs precisely... those are my reservations.

I'd like somebody a bit quicker, a bit heavier, a bit younger, more of a finisher.
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