Kesler is in his prime, the other three are a risk.

If Kesler brought the Hawks two cups would it be worth it to you?
- dshiddy

A 43 point season from Kesler in what you consider his "prime" and Saad has 47 points and 16pts in 19 playoff games in only his second season. I wouldn't trade Saad for Kesler straight up let alone with TT and a 1st rd pick.

You are arguing or discussing a topic with a troll, guys.

Glad someone thinks like me
- BearsnHawks

That is also conservative Bowman and Q scenario.

After loosing and weaknesses exposed particularly against the LA Kings, there is some thought as to whether Bowman might change course. If a fly on a wall could tell us what Scotty says in the secret to Stan.....

Couple more weeks fans might find out what Bowman does. Even if nothing major is done around draft day, that alone is an inclination of Bowman's intention.

A 43 point season from Kesler in what you consider his "prime" and Saad has 47 points and 16pts in 19 playoff games in only his second season. I wouldn't trade Saad for Kesler straight up let alone with TT and a 1st rd pick.
- Tazer86

You aren't the GM of the hawks, so it really doesn't matter what you think.

You aren't the GM of the hawks, so it really doesn't matter what you think.
- dshiddy

I'd be disappointed if Luongo and Schneider were both gone too and my team had nothing to show for it.

You are arguing or discussing a topic with a troll, guys.
- Elbows15

Thanks for the proverbial slap in the face, I've come to my senses.

Once Stan finalizes the deals with Kane and Toews I'm sure he'll talk with Oduya and Leddy's agents. Once he gets a good idea of what they want he'll factor that into what he does.

I really don't think Oduya will ask for that much. There's no way he should make more that Hjalmarsson. I could see Oduya signing for around $3.5 million for 2-3 years. JO could decide to take a chance that a team like Edmonton will pay him $5 million, but look how well that process worked for Chris Campoli.
- DarthKane

The Jammer deal was a steal and I doubt many other players do that deal. JO has had an incredible few years in Chicago, won a cup, and plays in our top 4 (unlike Campoli). I believe Suter even said that the Hawks have 4 top 2 defensemen (guessing he was talking about Oduya as one of them). I hope he signs a nice contract, but I doubt it. Oduya is also 32 years old. I don't know how good he will be in two years (his defensive style is all based on speed and that starts regressing at his age). I think we should trade him while he has value and on a decent contract.

If there is a sensible trade using Sharp as bait to reel in the needs of the Blackhawks, my logic is given below. I just want to emphasize that this could be considered. If you do not have a good read on the Tampa players, then review their scouting report and stat's. Johnson had an impressive rookie season. I think he is adequate in face off dept and would be good with top line players. Acquire him and eventually either Johnson or Kruger is moved some time after next season.

Chg gets someone to be a legitimate center, inexpensive contract, can be productive two way player. Killorn is the big body physical forward for bottom lines. Killorn addition would afford Q opportunity to dress a physical line up on bottom lines with Killorn, Bollig, Shaw inclusive.

Bollig plays bad he sits. Those three on bottom lines might be good strategy in some future playoff match up

Why would Tampa do this? To establish two serious scoring lines. Break in Drouin, heralded rookie, with less pressure on line #2 with Sharp. They also have Filipula and Palat.
- jhawk59

I really like johnson. I think the size concern people have with him are overblown. But I just don't see Tampa trading him. But who knows? Another name I like on tampa is Brett Connolly. He was rushed to the nhl but he is starting to play better in the ahl. I think he is close to the nhl. Probably some time this year.

Thanks for the proverbial slap in the face, I've come to my senses.
- DarthKane

No problem. He is one of the biggest.

Is Dave Bolland out of the question?
- CBHawks88

Yes, he wants to get paid, it seems. Also, I would like the Hawks to get someone that is better at the dot.

Saad isn't much of a risk, he's arrived and he will be a force in the NHL for a while.

I'm a Kesler fan, I'm not trying to downplay his talent. But realistically we'd have him for 2 years, why give up Saad who could play for 10 more years with us. I'll take Saad and his long term potential.

I have no issue giving up TT in a deal or the 1st, but not Saad.

BTW...if Saad, Teravainen and the 1st are risks why would you trade for them? Especially for a player in his prime.
- DarthKane

If Vanc thinks they get something more elsewhere than TT, first 2014 then fine with me. Kesler is not a long time player you are receiving and is injury riddled last few seasons. I bet the market price drops for Kesler. While I hate to part with TT, I could grudgingly agree with the first round and TT as renumeration. Nothing else but if teetering on this i could give a lesser prospect if they toss in a late round pick.

No problem. He is one of the best.
- Elbows15

Thanks pal. Love my fans.

Saad had 19 goals this year, a career high. He ain't Jesus.

Kesler for Saad, Terovainen and 1st is a fair deal IMO.
- dshiddy

He played on the 3rd line.... Those are some decent numbers for a 3rd line player (who is good enough to be on the 2nd line for most if not all teams in the NHL). Also, he is 21, so that is a career high for his 2nd season (which was shortened because of the strike). Kesler is good, but expensive, injury prone, and 30 (for next season). You are not getting the Hawks top prospect, their best player under 25, and a first round pick for him. I think TT, by himself, is to much for Kesler.

He played on the 3rd line.... Those are some decent numbers for a 3rd line player (who is good enough to be on the 2nd line for most if not all teams in the NHL). Also, he is 21, so that is a career high for his 2nd season (which was shortened because of the strike). Kesler is good, but expensive, injury prone, and 30 (for next season). You are not getting the Hawks top prospect, their best player under 25, and a first round pick for him. I think TT, by himself, is to much for Kesler.
- BearsnHawks

It's either Shaw or Saad, so take your pick.

Canucks are retooling, Hawks need to win the next 2-3 years. Trade makes sense for both sides. Saad is little risk, TT could be good, and then the 1st is unlikely to be anything.

With the market for Kesler, that's what I think he'd get. Ducks, Penguins and Hawks are all in the same boat...
- dshiddy

Then the Hawks won't get Kesler. Why do Hawks need to win in next 2-3 years? Our bext players are 26 and 26. Top defensemen are in their 20's (besides Keith who is 30). The Hawks are built to win now and for the next 5-10 years. Our players to replace Sharp and Hossa are TT and Saad. That is why you are not getting them.

Thanks pal. Love my fans.
- dshiddy

No point in being an bumhole if you aren't going to be the best of it. You succeeded.

That is also conservative Bowman and Q scenario.

After loosing and weaknesses exposed particularly against the LA Kings, there is some thought as to whether Bowman might change course. If a fly on a wall could tell us what Scotty says in the secret to Stan.....

Couple more weeks fans might find out what Bowman does. Even if nothing major is done around draft day, that alone is an inclination of Bowman's intention.
- jhawk59

When has Stan done anything drastic when cap wasn't involved? Why do we think he is going to this off-season? If Kane/Toews don't re-sign by the convention day, we may see some drastic moves.

I really like johnson. I think the size concern people have with him are overblown. But I just don't see Tampa trading him. But who knows? Another name I like on tampa is Brett Connolly. He was rushed to the nhl but he is starting to play better in the ahl. I think he is close to the nhl. Probably some time this year.
- tomcat24

Tampa is moving closer to NHL serious Cup contender. The goaltending and quality of the group on the blue line is their biggest obstacle to overcome. This team has a boatload of good young talent in place on the parent team and more is on the way. Wow, maybe Connelly and or Drouin has an impact next season.

Connelly not headed to Chg though. Johnson beinga small player is a concern in a trade discussion. But certainly Scotty sitting on his couch in Tampa saw enough Tampa hockey to know if Johnson is worthwhile to pursue.

Did you know dept: flying into Tampa a couple years ago,as descending the pilot says "Tampa and Vinny Lecallier welcome you to our city." Maybe now they replaced Lecavallier with a certain big time goal scorer.

You aren't the GM of the hawks, so it really doesn't matter what you think.
- dshiddy

Your right, the GM of the Hawks would never trade 2 of his personally drafted top players and give away his, all precious, first round pick. Name one time he has made a drastic move that didn't involve the cap? Better yet, name a time he has traded some1 he drafted in the first round? Hey, I forgot, you want him to trade 2 of his top draft picks and his a 1st round pick.......

You aren't the GM of any professional team, unless you are the past Canucks GM, nor even look at past tendencies of GM's.

It's either Shaw or Saad, so take your pick.
- dshiddy

Not picking either, because Stan wouldn't do it.

It's either Shaw or Saad, so take your pick.
- dshiddy

Not picking either, because Stan wouldn't do it.

You are arguing or discussing a topic with a troll, guys.
- Elbows15

Some one post the god Dam sign. . Or is thAt Ogis job ?

When has Stan done anything drastic when cap wasn't involved? Why do we think he is going to this off-season? If Kane/Toews don't re-sign by the convention day, we may see some drastic moves.
- BearsnHawks

Is it a concern of Bowman how LA Kings in particular exposed chg weaknesses? JJ hints that a new #2 center will be in the lineup. Veteran or a better, highly offensive capable center might blow into the Windy City. You say no. Not a slam dunk guarantee no on this as has been the case as for legitimate #2 center acquisition for several years.

It's either Shaw or Saad, so take your pick.
- dshiddy

Shaw.

Shaw is a great 3rd line wing.

That's it.


Round 19 pick

We won't be able to re-sign him next year (will probably ask for a bigger contract). Stan probably trading him while he can. The new D will consist of Keith/Seabrook, Jammer/Leddy, Rundblad/Roszival or Rockford call-up/cheap free agent
- BearsnHawks

Rozy has to be through here, he was even worse than Leddy by the end of the season. IMO if all they do is move Rozy and Versteeg and sign a vet to cycle in with Dahlstrom/Rundblad as 6th/7th/8th, that wouldn't be a horrible offseason. A #2 center would be great, but it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO to deal an almost PPG winger in Sharp for any of the .5 PPG centers mentioned. I'm not sure any of those moves actually make the Hawks better, kind of treading water more at best. It seems like every center name I've read connected to the Hawks are either former stars in rapid decline or really #3 centers. The few young guys that sound promising are far less likely to actually be moved. I'm against trading Oduya unless he's replaced with a sound defensive veteran. I'd much rather trade Leddy, who should have a higher trade value for some teams as he is younger, currently cheaper, and still under team control in a year as an RFA.