Wow, wow , wow, it's bad admittedly. But it is not Luongo bad
- walshyleafsfan

Hey Ek. Have you heard any whispers about Darryl Sutter stepping down as coach or moving up and the Kings possibly retaining John Stevens? There has been some mention of that on the internet.
- canuckfan069

where did you read this?

I doubt the Leafs would make a deal with the Oilers involving Phaneuf if one of those assets wasn't coming back. You have to give to get, and contrary to what you hear from disgruntled Leaf fans, and Leaf haters, Dion is far from a salary dump.
- The Shrike

A younger Dion got Calgary Hagman and Stajan (the other pieces are basically neglible at this point). How much has Dion really improved from his CGY days to his TOR days?

You basically gave up two 40 point forwards. Gagner is a 40 point forward.

My best offer would be Gagner + 2nd rounder + B prospect for Phaneuf.

He also has a NMC doesn't he? Would he really accept a trade to here in edm?
- JasonDh

See POB:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3507

....and his NMC, modified NTC doesn't activate until July 1st.

Remember Richards and Carter.

where did you read this?
- Deadmau55

I heard on the radio also last week but it is speculation. 3 people so far commenting on it so probably is nothing.

I doubt the Leafs would make a deal with the Oilers involving Phaneuf if one of those assets wasn't coming back. You have to give to get, and contrary to what you hear from disgruntled Leaf fans, and Leaf haters, Dion is far from a salary dump.
- The Shrike

Oilers ain't giving up any of those for a bad contract whose slowly been on the decline since he left Alberta.

A younger Dion got Calgary Hagman and Stajan (the other pieces are basically neglible at this point). How much has Dion really improved from his CGY days to his TOR days?

You basically gave up two 40 point forwards. Gagner is a 40 point forward.

My best offer would be Gagner + 2nd rounder + B prospect for Phaneuf.
- ystoil

I'd be willing to give up more (including some more valuable pieces) if the Leafs would retain some of Phaneuf's cap hit.

I'd be willing to give up more (including some more valuable pieces) if the Leafs would retain some of Phaneuf's cap hit.
- MaximumBone

I would replace the B prospect with marincin if they retain 1.25 to 1.5.

A younger Dion got Calgary Hagman and Stajan (the other pieces are basically neglible at this point). How much has Dion really improved from his CGY days to his TOR days?

You basically gave up two 40 point forwards. Gagner is a 40 point forward.

My best offer would be Gagner + 2nd rounder + B prospect for Phaneuf.
- ystoil

Dale Talon would make a better offer than that, mind you, I think he's looking to win sooner than the Oiler are, so maybe the slow cook developmental process with Nurse is the direction the Oilers want to move in.

I'd be willing to give up more (including some more valuable pieces) if the Leafs would retain some of Phaneuf's cap hit.
- MaximumBone

Will Edmonton ever spend to the point where cap would be an issue?

Any truth to the Luke & Brayden Schenn for Oilers 3rd pick?

Will Edmonton ever spend to the point where cap would be an issue?
- The Shrike

To be concise, yes.

I doubt the Leafs would make a deal with the Oilers involving Phaneuf if one of those assets wasn't coming back. You have to give to get, and contrary to what you hear from disgruntled Leaf fans, and Leaf haters, Dion is far from a salary dump.
- The Shrike

Then you can keep him.

Will Edmonton ever spend to the point where cap would be an issue?
- The Shrike

If Yak gets his poop together, Schultz and petry play well during the duration of the bridge contracts, and scrivens keeps it up, they will be close. (This based off they also are able to acquire a legit 2way centre as well and a decent third and fourth line (another 6-9 mill))

O for 2 on this blog.

#1. LA is the vastly superior team. No questions asked no way to argue it. I would say LA got more "puck luck" than the Rangers but both got it in significant doses.

The Rangers are a good team but even in the East they are a tier 2 team. Which makes them almost tier 3 team in the NHL IMO.

They beat Philly another Tier 2/3 team.
They beat Pittsburg a Tier 1 team but that has goaltending and a bit of a playoff jinx going on right now.
They beat a Montreal team (Tier 2 team) without it's starting goaltender and that looked like they had absolutely nothing left after they beat the Bruins.

LA beat the Sharks a Tier 1 team.
LA beat Anaheim a Tier 1 team.
LA beat Chicago a Tier 1 team.

And still had enough in the tank to almost sweep the Rangers.

The Rangers are a Tier 2/3 team with a decent system, coach, and player... AND KING LUNQUIST. I shudder to think how much weaker the Rangers would be if/when they lose Lunquist.

I suppose with the addition of St. Louis maybe that brings the Rangers up to a Tier 2 team but they did lose Callahan to get him so not sure how much that improved their team overall.

Much like 3 years ago with the New Jersey Devils, who strangely enough faced LA in the final as well, they truly did not deserve to be in the Stanley cup finals. Just an average NHL team that got the breaks when they needed them and a nice easy path to the cup final.

#2. The Oilers on Phaneuf. I am so glad 99% of your rumors don't happen. I can not stand the idea of having him on the Oilers especially if it costs us anything of real value.

Gagner and a depth prospect and maybe a 3rd rounder... Sure. But not our first round this year or next. Not one of our promising young D-men. Nurse, Klefbom, and Marincin "could" end up being superior and I just hate how inconsistent Phanuef is. I have enough Calgary fan friends that complained about Phanuef being frustrating to watch because of all the obvious mistakes he makes. I hope the Oilers avoid him at all costs. Way overpaid as well.

A deal makes a lot of sense between the two. They are both in different conferences, both looking for a culture change, Edmonton probobly wants to draft a defensmen(Hayden fleury), leafs want a center or Ekblad, Edmonton needs a top 2 defencmen with phisicality, leafs seam very interested in moving up. Makes sense they would be looking at a deal.

The buyout period begins Sunday and ends June 30.

O for 2 on this blog.

#1. LA is the vastly superior team. No questions asked no way to argue it. I would say LA got more "puck luck" than the Rangers but both got it in significant doses.

The Rangers are a good team but even in the East they are a tier 2 team. Which makes them almost tier 3 team in the NHL IMO.

They beat Philly another Tier 2/3 team.
They beat Pittsburg a Tier 1 team but that has goaltending and a bit of a playoff jinx going on right now.
They beat a Montreal team (Tier 2 team) without it's starting goaltender and that looked like they had absolutely nothing left after they beat the Bruins.

LA beat the Sharks a Tier 1 team.
LA beat Anaheim a Tier 1 team.
LA beat Chicago a Tier 1 team.

And still had enough in the tank to almost sweep the Rangers.

The Rangers are a Tier 2/3 team with a decent system, coach, and player... AND KING LUNQUIST. I shudder to think how much weaker the Rangers would be if/when they lose Lunquist.

I suppose with the addition of St. Louis maybe that brings the Rangers up to a Tier 2 team but they did lose Callahan to get him so not sure how much that improved their team overall.

Much like 3 years ago with the New Jersey Devils, who strangely enough faced LA in the final as well, they truly did not deserve to be in the Stanley cup finals. Just an average NHL team that got the breaks when they needed them and a nice easy path to the cup final.

#2. The Oilers on Phaneuf. I am so glad 99% of your rumors don't happen. I can not stand the idea of having him on the Oilers especially if it costs us anything of real value.

Gagner and a depth prospect and maybe a 3rd rounder... Sure. But not our first round this year or next. Not one of our promising young D-men. Nurse, Klefbom, and Marincin "could" end up being superior and I just hate how inconsistent Phanuef is. I have enough Calgary fan friends that complained about Phanuef being frustrating to watch because of all the obvious mistakes he makes. I hope the Oilers avoid him at all costs. Way overpaid as well.
- Aerchon

I wouldn't say they are all wrong. They are rumors and you can't prove that Edmonton and phaneuf are talking about a trade or you can't prove that teams aren't interested in phaneuf.

I will say my last thing about that trade.

Phanuefs contract is the new 2014 version of Luongos contract. Expect the same results.

Dion is a decent player but he is a 5 mil Dman not 7
- vancouverdawg

With the increasing cap, maybe 7mil will be the new 5mil d.

Hey Ek. Have you heard any whispers about Darryl Sutter stepping down as coach or moving up and the Kings possibly retaining John Stevens? There has been some mention of that on the internet.
- canuckfan069

Nope won't happen. He said in an interview after the Kings won the Cup that he is already preparing for training camp for next season.

[quote=CFunk89]

Exactly. What overpaying is now will be a regular contract in a few years.

I don't understand why the Leafs would trade Phaneuf. Even though he does suck he is still their best defenseman. And a team needing good defense to shop their best defenseman makes less then 0 sense. Especially when there's 0 chance of a good defenseman coming back from the Oilers.

I doubt the Leafs would make a deal with the Oilers involving Phaneuf if one of those assets wasn't coming back. You have to give to get, and contrary to what you hear from disgruntled Leaf fans, and Leaf haters, Dion is far from a salary dump.
- The Shrike

Dion stinks why would oilers want that contract ? Unless leaf retain salary dion is not going anywhere

[quote=CFunk89]
No disagree . Just because there is more cap space the way to go is Draft and Development. Thowing stupid money at UFAs and overplaying for contracts is so 1989.

Oilers could draft Ekblad at number 3 or trade down a couple of spots for 2 picks and a prospect. Then get Fluery in the 6to 9 spot.

My opinion on fair trade for both sides:

EDM: Gagner, Marincin, 2015 1st
TOR: Phaneuf (retain 1.5mm), 2014 8th overall

I would (frank)ing hoping EDM has no hopes of being as bad as they were this year (aka in the McDavid/Eichel sweeps). That team is way too loaded to continually perform this poorly. So yes, you risk that 2015 but nothing comes without risk. Dion shores up the backend and is a decent contract at 5.5mm, EDM keeps their 3rd + adds the 8th (draft a ritchie or Fleury depending on preference).

Toronto gets a good prospect in Marincin, a solid 40pt player who should only get better at the prime age of 24, and a shot at the McDavid sweeps which everybody wants.