Well Giordano is down twice so there is one
- nbboy

Would you not take 2 Giordano's? I would.

So... has anyone even mentioned Stastny yet?
- aybrowne

Stastny for Phaneuf

Why. It's pretty clear.
- jake24242

If it was I wouldn't have asked you to name them

To Edmonton:
8th Overall pick 2014
Dion Phaneuf
Cody Franson
Jeoffrey Lupul
Connor Brown


To Toronto:
3rd Overall pick 2014
Jordan Eberle
Jeff Petry
- Seitch2

add in about 3 more mediocre pieces and ull have us.
quantity over quality!!!

Giordano would've won the Norris if he'd played the whole season. Guy was lights out this season on an abysmal team. Dominated in all zones even against the elite talent in the pacific
- TheNugeIsHuge

yep.

so good

No
- jake24242

Really? I'd actually take Brodin over a lot of players on that list. 20 years old, and already playing 25min a night extremely well.

Agreed. I wouldn't trade Gio straight up for Phaneuf.
- fidopro

29 GMs in the league wouldnt either.

Doughty (better)
Weber (better)
Keith (better)
Pietrangelo (better)
Suter (sometimes better, sometimes disappears, overall still better though)
Hedman (breakout year, can it be repeated, i think so)
Chara. (without his long reach and hard shot he has nothing, even Kessel put him on his ass last year)
Subban (better but prone to same mistakes as phaneuf)
Karlsson (-15 but at least he can pass and a great skater)
McDonugh (yeah i might put him slightly above phaneuf)
Hamhuis (ummm no, may be better defensively but overall game, not even close)
Kronwall (would he be as good without Babcock coaching? Still better for now)
Eckman-Larrson (Debatable, but maybe)
Seidenberg (really? not likely)
Erhoff (-27 only 49 hits)
Giordano (only 2 seasons over 30pts and only 2 additional over 20 and he's 30yrs old, not buying into the hype, have to say no to this one)
Seabrook (debatable but close to equal i would think)
Voynov (on a very good team and still not as good as Phaneuf)
Josi (good player but soft, will see how he does with a new coach)
Yandle (-23 with only 22 hits)
Coburn (now thats funny)
Letang (better in many areas)
Bouwmeester (very debatable, at one time you couldnt give this guy away but has had some good seasons in the past)
John Carlson (a little below phaneuf because of his lack of physicality, on par offensively and defensively but phaneuf out does him in the physical department by far)
Byfgulin (-20 and played forward half the season, defensively is horrible, but offensively and the fact he can play forward is a bonus, still phaneuf over big buff any day)

He should be on this list somewhere.....but nowhere near the top 10.
- Jeropotato

ok maybe not in top 10 but evaluating your list still puts Phaneuf in the 10-15 range depending on how you slot the equals to debatables) And would still be a number 1 on 18 teams in the league

Giordano is easily a better dman than Phaneuf. He gets no love being in Calgary, but he was amazing for them.
- Canuckleafer

1 good year doesn't make you amazing at 30 years old, he needs to do a repeat for me to believe

Im no dion hater. I can see his value and id like to see him on the oilers for the right package.
But I dont think too many fans outside of Toronto put him im the top 15 in the league.

And no one that's seen both, thinks phaneuf is better than giordano.
And it wasnt his first good season either.
In fact, his emergence awhile back was probably the biggest factor in allowing Calgary to feel they could deal dion

We are the Stanley Cup Champs...Very hard to believe. The Kings were a disaster 4-5 years ago. Major credit to Dean Lombardi, Kings ownership, and the rest of the organization.
- yaknow88

Yeah we know .......how does that pertain to this thread?

ok maybe not in top 10 but evaluating your list still puts Phaneuf in the 10-15 range depending on how you slot the equals to debatables) And would still be a number 1 on 18 teams in the league
- viperxt

Some of your assessments of the players on that list are

You think McDonagh is only slightly better than Phaneuf? And then say Letang is better in many areas?!

ok maybe not in top 10 but evaluating your list still puts Phaneuf in the 10-15 range depending on how you slot the equals to debatables) And would still be a number 1 on 18 teams in the league
- viperxt

You are right and I wouldn't dispute that. But he isn't top 10.

Yeah I know Vancouver employs him.
- classic321

Love you long time.

You are right and I wouldn't dispute that. But he isn't top 10.
- Jeropotato

Top 15 yes top ten is a stretch and if you have a chance to grab one you go for it.

Im no dion hater. I can see his value and id like to see him on the oilers for the right package.
But I dont think too many fans outside of Toronto put him im the top 15 in the league.

And no one that's seen both, thinks phaneuf is better than giordano.
And it wasnt his first good season either.
In fact, his emergence awhile back was probably the biggest factor in allowing Calgary to feel they could deal dion
- hugefemale dog77

here's your career stats for both players:
Giordano: GP 449 / G 55 / A 142 / Pts 197 +/- 25 (hits this year 73) dont have career hit totals
Phaneuf: GP 680 / G 114 / A 257 / Pts 371 +/- 3 (hits this year 227)

So lets see, Phaneuf is 1 year younger, plays a more physical game, stays healthier by a wide margin, has better offensive numbers, but isnt as good defensively. Overall I would have to still give the edge to Phaneuf, I would take a guy who will perform most nights but make mistakes here and there and has only played less than 79 games 1 time in his career over a guy who has only played 2 full season his whole career and doesnt have the same impact as Phaneuf when in the lineup. Sorry, Giordano just doesnt have the stats or history to say he's going to maintain this pace year after year, this was a career year, all down hill from here.

Some of your assessments of the players on that list are

You think McDonagh is only slightly better than Phaneuf? And then say Letang is better in many areas?!
- ehabs9

McDonagh is better defensively, not quite as good offensively, and probably close to being equal physically, thats why he's slightly better than phaneuf.

Letang is better in many areas offensivly, Skating is better, passing is better, hockey IQ is better, has a great wrist shot but not as good of a slap shot. Probably equal defensively as Phaneuf, although Phaneuf might be slighlty better in that area but not by much, both not very good there. Letang is surprisingly more physical than most offensive minded d-men but not as physical as Phaneuf.
Health wise the edge goes to Phaneuf. Overall Letang is better than Phaneuf but i never said by how much...lol

McDonagh is better defensively, not quite as good offensively, and probably close to being equal physically, thats why he's slightly better than phaneuf.

Letang is better in many areas offensivly, Skating is better, passing is better, hockey IQ is better, has a great wrist shot but not as good of a slap shot. Probably equal defensively as Phaneuf, although Phaneuf might be slighlty better in that area but not by much, both not very good there. Letang is surprisingly more physical than most offensive minded d-men but not as physical as Phaneuf.
Health wise the edge goes to Phaneuf. Overall Letang is better than Phaneuf but i never said by how much...lol
- viperxt

I'd say

McDonagh
Phaneuf
Letang

With the gap between McDonagh and Phaneuf being larger than Phaneuf and Letang. McDonagh is a complete D-man he's excellent at every aspect of the game(sure his Defense is his stronger suit). Phaneuf and Letang both have holes in their games that don't exist in McDonagh's in my opinion.

might not be eberle but it will be more than you think. As much as people hate on Dion, he is one of the top 10 defenceman in the league, worth the 7 mill a season.
- viperxt

Top 10? No.

Weber
Suter
Doughty
Subban
Pietrangelo
Chara
Keith
McDonagh

Right off the top of my head as not even close.

I can name another group that I think are better but in a more offensive way...like Karlsson

Dion is Top 30 and he would be the best defenseman right at this moment on the Oilers, but that would only be for a few more seasons at most.

but he is not a Top 10 Dman in the whole league.

Big Push? Anything below a 7th round pick is too much.

Top 10? No.

Weber
Suter
Doughty
Subban
Pietrangelo
Chara
Keith
McDonagh

Right off the top of my head as not even close.

I can name another group that I think are better but in a more offensive way...like Karlsson

Dion is Top 30 and he would be the best defenseman right at this moment on the Oilers, but that would only be for a few more seasons at most.

but he is not a Top 10 Dman in the whole league.
- OilHorse

I'd probably add vlasic to that list too ahead of dion

Big Push? Anything below a 7th round pick is too much.
- Beatle_john

still bitter over losing 2 #1 goalies for nothing eh? No shame in that

Giordano is easily a better dman than Phaneuf. He gets no love being in Calgary, but he was amazing for them.
- Canuckleafer

he had a great season no doubt, but he was also pretty bad during the lockout season and i remember flames fans wanting him gone.

Phaneuf clearly has a much better track record than Giordano, twice as many goals and nearly double the points...he is also 2 years younger. I'll wait until Giordano puts up back to back good seasons before putting him in the top 15-20

Truth is Edm wants a grittier team. Look at almost every addition made last year. Plus MacT has said he wants size. They also want a 1-2 dman and MacT says it is unlikely he will be able to get one. Dion is from Edm which is a selling feature for the Oil. He plays a physical game and he is still young compared to the 2 real UFA options of Boyle and Markov which the Oil have little chance of signing. The Oil have little to offer. Toronto is burdened with a huge contract and they can part with Dion. The Oil will have to offer an RFA or a UFA 7 mil to get the to sign if they want a 1-2 guy. Look around the league, the Oil have little choice but to kick the tires on this. To answer peoples questions, yes, a prospect like Nurse who may be good in a couple years is not as valuable to the Oil as a player that is ready to go now. The Oilers biggest need is a 1-2 dman with size and if they can get him without parting with one of their top 5 players, they will do it.

Top 10? No.

Weber
Suter
Doughty
Subban
Pietrangelo
Chara
Keith
McDonagh

Right off the top of my head as not even close.

I can name another group that I think are better but in a more offensive way...like Karlsson

Dion is Top 30 and he would be the best defenseman right at this moment on the Oilers, but that would only be for a few more seasons at most.

but he is not a Top 10 Dman in the whole league.
- OilHorse

Dion will always add a physical component to the Oilers defense. Top pairing or not, he would replace Ference in a few years as their grit if that is true. However I think his best years are right a head of him. I am not a huge fan but I really don't think the Oil have any other option. They either trade the farm or take a silly contract.