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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:22 AM ET
Per Marc Spector:
They’ll be looking for a puck-moving defenseman and a five-six shut-down type player. The Oilers have liked Flyers Braydon Coburn and could go after him again this offseason



So if they did this what type of return would Flyers get?

Who would take those minutes that Coburn played?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:23 AM ET
So if they did this what type of return would Flyers get?

Who would take those minutes that Coburn played?

- J35Bacher




Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 11:24 AM ET
Per Marc Spector:
They’ll be looking for a puck-moving defenseman and a five-six shut-down type player. The Oilers have liked Flyers Braydon Coburn and could go after him again this offseason



So if they did this what type of return would Flyers get?

Who would take those minutes that Coburn played?

- J35Bacher

Eberle
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:24 AM ET
Only if it's the best orgasm ever.
- jmatchett383

Nope. The point is if it feels good, you want to do it more. The argument that someone would be jaded by winning just doesn't wash. Ask the 90s Redwings.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:24 AM ET
And there hasn't been a valid argument made against the premise I offered.
- MJL


You might want to do some careful back-reading.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:26 AM ET
Per Marc Spector:
They’ll be looking for a puck-moving defenseman and a five-six shut-down type player. The Oilers have liked Flyers Braydon Coburn and could go after him again this offseason



So if they did this what type of return would Flyers get?

Who would take those minutes that Coburn played?

- J35Bacher


The Oilers don't have anyone that would replace what Coburn brings to this roster. Te best option would be a 3-way trade, or work a trade centered around Coburn for Schultz (which the Oilers would be very unwilling to do).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:26 AM ET
Nope. The point is if it feels good, you want to do it more. The argument that someone would be jaded by winning just doesn't wash. Ask the 90s Redwings.
- bodiva88


Jesus says you can't orgasm just to fell good.

Edit: Mine was in jest, I agree with you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:27 AM ET
You might want to do some careful back-reading.
- Tomahawk


Don't need to back read anything. It hasn't been done.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 11:28 AM ET
Per Marc Spector:
They’ll be looking for a puck-moving defenseman and a five-six shut-down type player. The Oilers have liked Flyers Braydon Coburn and could go after him again this offseason



So if they did this what type of return would Flyers get?

Who would take those minutes that Coburn played?

- J35Bacher



How the hell are we going to get better by trading coburn? We can't, he had a down year coming out of the lockout but we can't trade him
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:30 AM ET
Don't need to back read anything. It hasn't been done.
- MJL


You have to define "bigger." Taller? Heavier? Stronger? Harder shot? Checking impact? Stronger legs? You need to clarify exactly what traits the bigger player has over the smaller player, or all of of these equal and one player is simply taller and heavier?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:31 AM ET
How the hell are we going to get better by trading coburn? We can't, he had a down year coming out of the lockout but we can't trade him
- Just5


The only (real) scenario for trading Coburn would be a proven NHL top-pair defenseman (Weber, as an example, though he's not coming here).
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
The only (real) scenario for trading Coburn would be a proven NHL top-pair defenseman (Weber, as an example, though he's not coming here).
- jmatchett383

Oh they'd move him for a ridiculous overpayment. But yeah if you stay within reality I agree with you.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: DeAngelo, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer


No thank you on DeAngelo
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
Just if they're in. I thought I remember reading they didn't make the cut.. but maybe that was about the Olympics 2 years ago. I know they have a slim to none chance of winning if they are in. Though they have at least made the quarter finals the last 2 Cups?

I know I could just look it up I guess… :/

- eayost


They've qualified for every World Cup since 1990.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
Oh they'd move him for a ridiculous overpayment. But yeah if you stay within reality I agree with you.
- FlyersGrace


Well, as part of a package. A big package (which is better than a smaller package).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
They've qualified for every World Cup since 1990.
- funmaster18


And they won in 1996.

Trivia: Who scored the championship-winning goal?
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:36 AM ET
Well, as part of a package. A big package (which is better than a smaller package).
- jmatchett383

I like what you did there...
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:36 AM ET
And they won in 1996.

Trivia: Who scored the championship-winning goal?

- jmatchett383


No one in 1996
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:37 AM ET
No one in 1996
- funmaster18


Wrong. Tony Amonte.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:38 AM ET
Soccer gets a bad wrap in the us, but it's a global sport that's obsessed over in many countries. People like to point at all the diving, but you can say the same in hockey and in hockey you are supposed to get hit.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:38 AM ET
I seriously doubt that Mike Richards doesn't work out.
- MJL


I never said he didn't work out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:39 AM ET
You have to define "bigger." Taller? Heavier? Stronger? Harder shot? Checking impact? Stronger legs? You need to clarify exactly what traits the bigger player has over the smaller player, or all of of these equal and one player is simply taller and heavier?
- jmatchett383


My premise was simple. If all things are equal, I would take the bigger player, if there was a significant difference between the two players, size wise.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:40 AM ET
Wrong. Tony Amonte.
- jmatchett383


What do you think this is, a hockey forum?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:40 AM ET
I never said he didn't work out.
- wolfhounds


I know you didn't. I stated that in response to your point that not working out could hurt a player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 11:42 AM ET
My premise was simple. If all things are equal, I would take the bigger player, if there was a significant difference between the two players, size wise.
- MJL


So is size the only thing? Do they have the same shot power? Do they check just as hard as each other? Are they both equally strong? You have to define what categorical advantages the bigger player has. It matters, because I may have a legit reason, but you need to define the advantage you see the bigger player having.

Also, I'm not disagreeing with your premise, but there may be a reason.
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