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Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 2:57 PM ET
Know what they can do with the cap space gained if they can trade Lecavalier for a 7th round pick? Add a piece the team needs.
- MJL

Overpay for another bum on free agency
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 2:58 PM ET
You think 2M against a future cap will be that painful?
heck, the cap should go up around double that if revenue keeps pace.
and, his likely replacement would be a young guy on a relatively inexpensive ELC.

I would be nice to not have that overage be there, but 2M for kimo Iisn't the what, 4M for iggy.

- nails


There is talk of the Cap going up another 6M after this season. Carrying a 2M overage is one third of that. Don't think that could hinder the Flyers ability to add a top defenseman if it's available? A player on an ELC is not going to replace Timonen.
JonnyHammerstix
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.12.2013

Jun 13 @ 2:58 PM ET
Probably about the same. Here's the deal as I see with the Timonen signing. Love that he's back. Flyers are certainly a better team with him, then without him. But the contract while not bad, is certainly not great.
An example is the Boston Bruins. Fans probably loved it when they signed Jerome Iginla last off season. What a deal they probably felt. Well now the Bruins got knocked out, and fell short. And there's going to be a 3.5-4M bonus overage that the Bruins are going to have to carry on the Cap.
Now a bonus overage for Timonen is not a guarantee. But the odds of it are high. So the question is, should a team that is probably not a legitimate contender, be risking a fairly large bonus overage, to bring back Timonen? I think an argument can be made for no to that.

- MJL


I get that I really do but as you stated the Flyers are a better team with him than without him. Plus add in the the invaluable on-ice mentorship for the young D prospects in the system in preseason or if any should make the team anytime during the season. If taking a potential 2 mil cap hit next season is what it takes to get him back on a one year deal at 4 million less than I think it's more than worth it. Plus who knows what the salary cap will be next year. Like a said earlier we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 2:59 PM ET
Overpay for another bum on free agency
- Winning


Or use the Cap space in a trade for a piece the team needs.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 2:59 PM ET
Trading Vinny for a 7th is dumb. Trading Vinny for a piece your team needs isn't. Look how many teams have been reported interested .
- Winning


And right now in a trade, vinny has little value because teams know we want/need to move his contract.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:01 PM ET
Vinny
Coburn
For
Eberle
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:04 PM ET
There is talk of the Cap going up another 6M after this season. Carrying a 2M overage is one third of that. Don't think that could hinder the Flyers ability to add a top defenseman if it's available? A player on an ELC is not going to replace Timonen.
- MJL

I don't think an ELC replaces kimo the player. That's silly.
but, you hope that someone already on the roster takes a step forward and the ELC replaces that player.
that said, based on the contract value, I would think that replacing kimo on the ice isn't as hard because they aren't expecting as much from him now.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:05 PM ET
Vinny
Coburn
For
Eberle

- Winning


And who is available to replace coburn?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 13 @ 3:06 PM ET
I'm amazed that Holmgren is vilified when Timonen signed a deal that a lot of people foresaw. As if Holmgren would've given him a raise, but the master negotiator Ron Hextall talked him down.
- MJL


When my hatred runs deep, it also tends to run blind.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:06 PM ET
And who is available to replace coburn?
- nails

Free agency
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:12 PM ET
Free agency
- Winning



at what price and who?

we undervalue coburn way too much
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:17 PM ET
Go (frank) yourself Holmgren. Think I got 50% erection reading that he is back for such a low cap hit.


- flyer_nutter

youre a moron sometimes honestly
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:17 PM ET


at what price and who?

we undervalue coburn way too much

- nails

Eberle *>
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:20 PM ET
Free agency
- Winning

Didn't you just say free agency was full of overpriced bums?

Overpay for another bum on free agency
- Winning

Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:23 PM ET
Didn't you just say free agency was full of overpriced bums?
- Giroux_Is_God

Depends
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jun 13 @ 3:23 PM ET
youre a moron sometimes honestly
- Crimsoninja



oh my
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 13 @ 3:27 PM ET
oh my
- -davies-

Popcorn
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:27 PM ET
youre a moron sometimes honestly
- Crimsoninja

Ban
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 13 @ 3:29 PM ET
Ban
- nails
go sit in a corner
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM ET
youre a moron sometimes honestly
- Crimsoninja


Forgive me for being apathetic to your feelings
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM ET
go sit in a corner
- Winning

Can I have a hat?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:32 PM ET
Can I have a hat?
- nails

DECREE: Anyone that gets b& has to sit in the corner with this hat on

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 13 @ 3:32 PM ET
Trading Vinny for a 7th is dumb. Trading Vinny for a piece your team needs isn't. Look how many teams have been reported interested .
- Winning


thats dumb

dumb dumb dumb
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 3:33 PM ET
Rangers win tonight 5-1 .
Kings lose Jeff Carter to a broken foot
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 13 @ 3:34 PM ET
DECREE: Anyone that gets b& has to sit in the corner with this hat on


- Giroux_Is_God

That sir, I going too far.
There will be a congressional hearing on this.
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