How as Larsson been jerked around? Overall, he has not played well in his 3 years in the Devils system.

Last yr, they gave him a chance with Greene and he could not handle playing against top competition. Last year, He was waiver exempt and they did the smart thing and sent him down.

Compare him to Merrill, who is less than a year older than Larsson. Merrill showed he could handle the responsibility and he was in the lineup.
- ChuckNJ

So either do well against top competition or to the minors you go... What kind of system is that? And Larsson was playing very well with Gelinas before he got hurt..

You wouldn't take clarkson at 2.625 a year?
- rmdevil313

Feel like it'd be overkill with Clowe and Matteau. Only so many bottom-six spots, and Clarky's deal is for six more years. Unless Clowe dies on us (very possible), his contract is another four also. I don't like how locked up that third line is.

So either do well against top competition or to the minors you go... What kind of system is that? And Larsson was playing very well with Gelinas before he got hurt..
- rmdevil313

He also played with Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder and Gelinas over the past 3 years on 2nd and 3rd pairing. I mentioned the Greene pairing as an example of Larsson being given an opportunity with the Devils best D Man.

Larsson and Gelinas were getting favorable zone starts against weak competition. They did not look great.

You wouldn't take clarkson at 2.625 a year?
- rmdevil313

I would

He also played with Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder and Gelinas over the past 3 years on 2nd and 3rd pairing. I mentioned the Greene pairing as an example of Larsson being given an opportunity with the Devils best D Man.

Larsson and Gelinas were getting favorable zone starts against weak competition. They did not look great.
- ChuckNJ

He was 18 or 19 when he played with tallinder and is still young now? Wtf do you want from him?

He also played with Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder and Gelinas over the past 3 years on 2nd and 3rd pairing. I mentioned the Greene pairing as an example of Larsson being given an opportunity with the Devils best D Man.

Larsson and Gelinas were getting favorable zone starts against weak competition. They did not look great.
- ChuckNJ

I am sorry but most of this post is laughable. Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder, wow what partners. A total of one player with NHL talent still. Salvador is a possession black hole and tallinder sucked. Also, Gelinas and Larsson both played against much better competition than Sal and Atrain, who actually went up against the worst competition on the team aside for Harrold. Larsson and Gelinas did not look great together? Were you watching the games? They had a corsi of over 60 when they were on the ice together. As far as being paired with Greene goes, yeah he's our best dman but not every 21 year old can handle going up against top competition, only one I can think of is Doughty.

I am sorry but most of this post is laughable. Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder, wow what partners. A total of one player with NHL talent still. Salvador is a possession black hole and tallinder sucked. Also, Gelinas and Larsson both played against much better competition than Sal and Atrain, who actually went up against the worst competition on the team aside for Harrold. Larsson and Gelinas did not look great together? Were you watching the games? They had a corsi of over 60 when they were on the ice together. As far as being paired with Greene goes, yeah he's our best dman but not every 21 year old can handle going up against top competition, only one I can think of is Doughty.
- rmdevil313

NO WAY IF YOU'RE DRAFTED IN THE TOP FIVE YOU SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST RIGHT OUT THE GATES NO QUESTIONS ASKED

He was 18 or 19 when he played with tallinder and is still young now? Wtf do you want from him?
- shvingter88

He has not played well over 3 years that is a fact. His development has not been mismanaged by Lou or DeBoer.Devils fans see the 4th overall pick and want to blame someone.

Brodin and Hamilton in his draft class have played better than Larsson. Merrill and Gelinas have played better for the Devils.

Feel like it'd be overkill with Clowe and Matteau. Only so many bottom-six spots, and Clarky's deal is for six more years. Unless Clowe dies on us (very possible), his contract is another four also. I don't like how locked up that third line is.
- TheJerseyDevil1

The way I see it is depth is depth. Gotta be a four line team to be a contender.

He has not played well over 3 years that is a fact. His development has not been mismanaged by Lou or DeBoer.Devils fans see the 4th overall pick and want to blame someone.

Brodin and Hamilton in his draft class have played better than Larsson. Merrill and Gelinas have played better for the Devils.
- ChuckNJ

What are you looking at when you say he hasn't played well?

NO WAY IF YOU'RE DRAFTED IN THE TOP FIVE YOU SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST RIGHT OUT THE GATES NO QUESTIONS ASKED
- shvingter88

I wish people would stop with their Fantasy Hockey trades. It doesn't make sense to trade Larsson in any deal for top 5 pick.

The Devils don't benefit from restarting the development curve. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering that he's only 21 years old.

I wish people would stop with their Fantasy Hockey trades. It doesn't make sense to trade Larsson in any deal for top 5 pick.

The Devils don't benefit from restarting the development curve. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering that he's only 21 years old.
- njdevils350

I might do it to draft a forward, but it would depend on what else we gave up. I doubt that it would work.

I am sorry but most of this post is laughable. Salvador, Volchenkov, Tallinder, wow what partners. A total of one player with NHL talent still. Salvador is a possession black hole and tallinder sucked. Also, Gelinas and Larsson both played against much better competition than Sal and Atrain, who actually went up against the worst competition on the team aside for Harrold. Larsson and Gelinas did not look great together? Were you watching the games? They had a corsi of over 60 when they were on the ice together. As far as being paired with Greene goes, yeah he's our best dman but not every 21 year old can handle going up against top competition, only one I can think of is Doughty.
- rmdevil313

Adjust the Larsson/Gelinas Corsi for O Zone starts and competition and you will see a different picture.

I mentioned the other D Man to make the point that Larsson has played on all 3 pairings over his 3 years.

As far as only other D Man 21 yrs or young see Brodin, Hamilton and Ekman-Larsson as examples of D Men who have faced top competiton at 21 or younger.

Adjust the Larsson/Gelinas Corsi for O Zone starts and competition and you will see a different picture.

I mentioned the other D Man to make the point that Larsson has played on all 3 pairings over his 3 years.

As far as only other D Man 21 yrs or young see Brodin, Hamilton and Ekman-Larsson as examples of D Men who have faced top competiton.
- ChuckNJ

Gelinas and Larsson were 3 and 4 respectively on our team in quality of competition. Yes they had favorable zone starts but its not like Atrain, Sal and Harrold had poop. We were such a good possession team that they still got over 50% OZS (well atrain didn't)

So he should be expected to carry sub-nhl talent at 19, 20 years old?

Brodin did, Hamilton also gets favorable zone starts compared to his team, and OEL did too. So we've narrowed down 3 defensman that played against top competition when they were 21. Would you like me to list all the defensman that didn't play against top competition at 21 years old?

What are you looking at when you say he hasn't played well?
- shvingter88

On D: he has too many giveaways, gets beat wide, will not skate the puck out of the zone, does not know how to avoid a hit. His +/- is a -.

On O: he has produce little in way of goals and assists. He keeps his head down when he shoots which impacts his accuracy, his release is slow and he shows no creativity.

On D: he has too many giveaways, gets beat wide, will not skate the puck out of the zone, does not know how to avoid a hit. His +/- is a -.

On O: he has produce little in way of goals and assists. He keeps his head down when he shoots which impacts his accuracy, his release is slow and he shows no creativity.
- ChuckNJ

A career -4, who told Larsson he was ever a good hockey player?

Gelinas and Larsson were 3 and 4 respectively on our team in quality of competition. Yes they had favorable zone starts but its not like Atrain, Sal and Harrold had poop. We were such a good possession team that they still got over 50% OZS (well atrain didn't)

So he should be expected to carry sub-nhl talent at 19, 20 years old?

Brodin did, Hamilton also gets favorable zone starts compared to his team, and OEL did too. So we've narrowed down 3 defensman that played against top competition when they were 21. Would you like me to list all the defensman that didn't play against top competition at 21 years old?
- rmdevil313

There have been many 21 years or younger players who have better than Larsson at that age: Subban, Hedman, Ryan McD, Seth Jones (19) quickly come to mind.

What about Merrill, he is only 9 months older and he outplayed Larsson. While Merrill is less than a year older this was his first Pro year. I believe this was Larsson's 5th.

On D: he has too many giveaways, gets beat wide, will not skate the puck out of the zone, does not know how to avoid a hit. His +/- is a -.

On O: he has produce little in way of goals and assists. He keeps his head down when he shoots which impacts his accuracy, his release is slow and he shows no creativity.
- ChuckNJ

Are we talking about Harrold, volchenkov or Salvador here?

There have been many 21 years or younger players who have better than Larsson at that age: Subban, Hedman, Ryan McD, Seth Jones (19) quickly come to mind.

What about Merrill, he is only 9 months older and he outplayed Larsson. While Merrill is less than a year older this was his first Pro year. I believe this was Larsson's 5th.
- ChuckNJ

How did you feel about victor hedmen until last season? Oh what about Marc staal?

There have been many 21 years or younger players who have better than Larsson at that age: Subban, Hedman, Ryan McD, Seth Jones (19) quickly come to mind.

What about Merrill, he is only 9 months older and he outplayed Larsson. While Merrill is less than a year older this was his first Pro year. I believe this was Larsson's 5th.
- ChuckNJ

McD hadn't even played an NHL season at this point in his career. Subban played 2 nhl games at this point in his career. Hedman was facing much of the same criticisms at this point in his career that Larsson faces now, look how that turned out. And yes, there were defensman better than him, but no ones career path is the same. And unless you are bobby orr or better, there will always be someone that was better than you. As far as Merrill goes, I think he was more consistent. I think Larsson has had stretches, like with Gelinas or at the start of his career, that was better than we've seen from Merrill yet. Merrill just doesn't have the ups and downs which goes back to my first point, not everyone's career path is the same.

NO WAY IF YOU'RE DRAFTED IN THE TOP FIVE YOU SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST RIGHT OUT THE GATES NO QUESTIONS ASKED
- shvingter88

This was Larsson's fifth pro season. Wasn't he suppose to be NHL ready when drafted?

Why did the Devils keep Larsson down in AHL when they could have sent Merrill down? (JM was waiver exempt.) Heck, NJD played Merrill with a face shield over Larsson.

McD hadn't even played an NHL season at this point in his career. Subban played 2 nhl games at this point in his career. Hedman was facing much of the same criticisms at this point in his career that Larsson faces now, look how that turned out. And yes, there were defensman better than him, but no ones career path is the same. And unless you are bobby orr or better, there will always be someone that was better than you. As far as Merrill goes, I think he was more consistent. I think Larsson has had stretches, like with Gelinas or at the start of his career, that was better than we've seen from Merrill yet. Merrill just doesn't have the ups and downs which goes back to my first point, not everyone's career path is the same.
- rmdevil313

No way everyone should be identical

How did you feel about victor hedmen until last season? Oh what about Marc staal?
- shvingter88

You take your silly facts and get out of here. Clearly Larsson is poop

This was Larsson's fifth pro season. Wasn't he suppose to be NHL ready when drafted?

Why did the Devils keep Larsson down in AHL when they could have sent Merrill down? (JM was waiver exempt.) Heck, NJD played Merrill with a face shield over Larsson.
- ChuckNJ

Why did they play Harrold instead of Larsson?