No (frank)ing way do you move Boychuck. A defense 1st system and you move one of your better guys with no replacement for a kid with a bad rep? Kane will do what exactly? Get frustrated when Julien benches his ass and cramps his offensive style by making him play defensively? Why not trade and get Seguin back then?
- glove_was_stuck

Bruins D can handle losing Boychuk, who's 30 and a soon-to-be UFA. Subban is at least 1-2 years away. Maybe you can pick up something else from WPG in return, perhaps a 2nd rnd pick:

Boychuk + Subban + Marchand <-> Kane + 2nd

Kane is only 22 yrs old, he'll grow up with the proper guidance. This move could solidify the top 2 lines for a while to come. He is just too talented not to make this trade, and his issues are different than Sequin's so the risk is different and I think much less than you're putting it out to be.

No (frank)ing way do you move Boychuck. A defense 1st system and you move one of your better guys with no replacement for a kid with a bad rep? Kane will do what exactly? Get frustrated when Julien benches his ass and cramps his offensive style by making him play defensively? Why not trade and get Seguin back then?
- glove_was_stuck

I agree with the Kane analysis ... He seems to have an attitude problem and his stats are equal to Marchand

what makes you say that. They locked up every core guy...Wheeler, Ladd, Kane, Bogo, Little, Enstrom while they were in Jets uniforms. I dont think players have an issue signing there long term.
- DDM-Coga

That's a good point ...I think it's ufas that are avoiding going there ...I personally would think it would be an amazing place to play ...one of the best atmospheres to play in ...it's just so cold there which seems to be a factor ...the oilers have the same issue....flames too

I agree with the Kane analysis ... He seems to have an attitude problem and his stats are equal to Marchand
- Redmile247

Stats yes, but put Marchand on WPG and see what his stats are? Similarly for Kane on the Bruins. Also, Marchand is a small guy who plays bigger than he is. His body is unlikely to maintain such play...also note that Kane is 4 years younger.

I agree with the Kane analysis ... He seems to have an attitude problem and his stats are equal to Marchand
- Redmile247

Kane plays 20 minutes a game.

That being said, Winnipeg needs a center and Mtl just have a load of them.

Plekanec and a 1st for Kane.

I like McGinn a lot but he lacks the offensive pop the Bruins would need back in a swap for Boychuk. The Bruins already have big bodied wingers in Soderberg, Lucic and most likely Iginla again. They would benefit more from a speedier winger with natural finishing ability. A Gaborik type player.
- fudd1689

Well boo, no Avs Boychuk deal here. Gabo could be a nice pick up. If he wins the cup in LA, he might not care where he signs afterwards. If you can pull off getting Kane, thats a scary top 6. Im a big fan of Soderberg and Reilly Smith, those guys have made moving a guy out of your Top 9 like marchand a lot easier.

Well boo, no Avs Boychuk deal here. Gabo could be a nice pick up. If he wins the cup in LA, he might not care where he signs afterwards. If you can pull off getting Kane, thats a scary top 6. Im a big fan of Soderberg and Reilly Smith, those guys have made moving a guy out of your Top 9 like marchand a lot easier.
- DDM-Coga

Kane and Gabo??

So + 13 M$ a year?? Good for the salary cap. Moving Marchand and Boychuk is not enough to make space for both of them.

That's a good point ...I think it's ufas that are avoiding going there ...I personally would think it would be an amazing place to play ...one of the best atmospheres to play in ...it's just so cold there which seems to be a factor ...the oilers have the same issue....flames too
- Redmile247

I grew up in Manitoba and live in Calgary now. Its winter deal, someone guys just need to deal with it. The cold isnt that bad. Chicago, Minny, and Detroit are not tropical winter destinations yet UFAs sign there. Just need to establish a culture of winning or a commitment from ownership to spend and do whatever is needed to win a cup.

Kane and Gabo??

So + 13 M$ a year?? Good for the salary cap. Moving Marchand and Boychuk is not enough to make space for both of them.
- soad_live

Not both, Either or

Stats yes, but put Marchand on WPG and see what his stats are? Similarly for Kane on the Bruins. Also, Marchand is a small guy who plays bigger than he is. His body is unlikely to maintain such play...also note that Kane is 4 years younger.
- mventres

Of course I think Kane is the better player but Marchand put up the same points on a better team which plays a strict defense system ...for most of Kane's career the jets have lacked structure thus allowing offensive players to take more risks ...and Kane hasn't played with awful players either ....Marchand brings a pest factor too...like I said Kane is the better choice but is he boychuck and subban better? I say no not even close

Kane plays 20 minutes a game.

That being said, Winnipeg needs a center and Mtl just have a load of them.

Plekanec and a 1st for Kane.
- soad_live

I'd love Kane on the habs - attitude problems be damned. Pleks, Tokarski and our 2014 first for Kane.

Bruins D can handle losing Boychuk, who's 30 and a soon-to-be UFA. Subban is at least 1-2 years away. Maybe you can pick up something else from WPG in return, perhaps a 2nd rnd pick:

Boychuk + Subban + Marchand <-> Kane + 2nd

Kane is only 22 yrs old, he'll grow up with the proper guidance. This move could solidify the top 2 lines for a while to come. He is just too talented not to make this trade, and his issues are different than Sequin's so the risk is different and I think much less than you're putting it out to be.
- mventres

I'm not so worried about Subban either as the Bruins still have Svedberg and Johnson proved a solid backup if he is still affordable. Problem I have is outside of Morrow who has shown no signs of being ready? Who's fills Boychucks role? Trotman is more of a puckmover, Warsofsky is too small, Tommy Cross cannot skate at the AHL level never mind the NHL level and Grzelcyk is also very small. Not sure about Arnesson either, anyone know if he is a shutdown or offensive guy?

The Bruins did not show enough patience with Kessel or Seguin and I just don't see them giving up all of that for another headache.

I grew up in Manitoba and live in Calgary now. Its winter deal, someone guys just need to deal with it. The cold isnt that bad. Chicago, Minny, and Detroit are not tropical winter destinations yet UFAs sign there. Just need to establish a culture of winning or a commitment from ownership to spend and do whatever is needed to win a cup.
- DDM-Coga

Yeah I lived in cowtown for a winter too ...the chinooks help break up winter ...I think your right and once the jets are an established playoff team and a cup threat than players will go there but right now it's a tougher sell

I'm not so worried about Subban either as the Bruins still have Svedberg and Johnson proved a solid backup if he is still affordable. Problem I have is outside of Morrow who has shown no signs of being ready? Who's fills Boychucks role? Trotman is more of a puckmover, Warsofsky is too small, Tommy Cross cannot skate at the AHL level never mind the NHL level and Grzelcyk is also very small. Not sure about Arnesson either, anyone know if he is a shutdown or offensive guy?

The Bruins did not show enough patience with Kessel or Seguin and I just don't see them giving up all of that for another headache.
- glove_was_stuck

5th overall, Grabner (w/ 50% of salary retained), your choice of reasonable defensive prospect -> Boychuk/Marchand

Edit: You can have Josh Bailey if you send a gallon of NE clam chowder down to the Island.

5th overall, Grabner (w/ 50% of salary retained), your choice of reasonable defensive prospect -> Boychuk/Marchand
- eichiefs9

Thats a crazy deal, win now vs taking the pick?

All of that while being considered out of shape, uncaring, and/or immature.

- tyanderson

out of shape?


Ummm....no.

5th overall, Grabner (w/ 50% of salary retained), your choice of reasonable defensive prospect -> Boychuk/Marchand

Edit: You can have Josh Bailey if you send a gallon of NE clam chowder down to the Island.
- eichiefs9

EDIT: Reinhart?

EDIT: Reinhart?
- glove_was_stuck

I said reasonable

out of shape?


Ummm....no.
- stormeyAlterEgo

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...der-kane-is-out-of-shape/

It's his version of the "Seguin is a slob" story.

EDIT: Donovan?
- glove_was_stuck

Fixed


yes!

Thats a crazy deal, win now vs taking the pick?
- DDM-Coga

We finally have a halfway decent goaltender and Tavares is hitting his prime. Boychuk is the exact kind of defenseman we so desperately need. I'm not particularly drooling to get Marchand, but he can play and might slot in nicely on JT's LW.

We finally have a halfway decent goaltender and Tavares is hitting his prime. Boychuk is the exact kind of defenseman we so desperately need. I'm not particularly drooling to get Marchand, but he can play and might slot in nicely on JT's LW.
- eichiefs9

Its a tempting deal thats for sure. Islanders get better instantly now...not sure if you need both Clutterbuck and Marchand...but Bruins sacrafice good players, and depth for cap relief now but get a really good pick to help rebuild that depth.

Kane is a superb player. At least half the teams would see him as a future 50 goal score. If he goes on the market there will be a bidding war. He is on a nice contract.

You would have to pay a price similar to what you got back for Seguin.

Divisional rivals like Montreal, Tampa, perhaps Florida and especially, Ottawa have pretty deep talent pools and they will up front in the bidding process. I think he does get traded (to the east) and I think it costs a top 6 skater (or top 4 Dman) a very good prospect and a #1 from the 2015 draft.

There will be lots of bidders.

I think Marchand and a 1st for Kane would be an even deal.

Its a tempting deal thats for sure. Islanders get better instantly now...not sure if you need both Clutterbuck and Marchand...but Bruins sacrafice good players, and depth for cap relief now but get a really good pick to help rebuild that depth.
- DDM-Coga

I think crazier suggestions have happened. I'm certainly not giving up Reinhart or Pulock, and I'd really like to hang onto Pokka. But we have a lot of B-level defensive prospects that might fit in the Bruins system. Mayfield and Pelech project to be good defensive d-men. Graham could be a good offensive defenseman, but I guess they have Krug filling the smallish offensive guy role. I'd be fine moving Donovan too. There are options.