Other than the rotating captaincy (which fed into Pominville being captain), this team has been bringing in captains for a long time now. Personally I'm sick of signing someone in free agency and slapping a C on their chest. Doesn't show much faith in the roster being built by the team.

If there are no leaders worthy, don't name a captain, just stop bringing in people and doing it.

Driere, Regehr, Rivet, Ott.....ugh
- stashu

I hear ya
Bit whether or not they get the "c" we r gonna have guys Like Stafford, Ehrhoff & Weber showing our young guys the way
I don't think that's a good idea

IMO they need to move Eriksson as the type of game they play doesn't suit his game.

Reilly Smith on the other hand suits their game quite well and will IMO replace Seguin's Boston's point totals.

Like you said the outcome of who won the trade won't be known for years.
- dadeadhead

Reilly Smith will never be an 80 point player. He's a solid 2nd liner.

Seguin is a franchise center. Dallas won the trade already IMO

Reilly Smith will never be an 80 point player. He's a solid 2nd liner.

Seguin is a franchise center. Dallas won the trade already IMO
- sbroads24

Even if Boston wins a cup within the next decade and Dallas doesn't?

There's a reason one of the most successful franchises in all of sports got rid of him
Call me crazy if I'd rather have our young talented guys grow into guys that don't have attitudes &/or have effort issues...
Ex...
Myers cashes in on a big contract and comes in the next year out of shape
That kind of stuff I'd like to avoid
- jdfitz77

I know this is off topic but something that drives me crazy. I have a friend that is a Bruins fan and makes similar comments all the time. I try to remind him that the Bruins have been great the last few seasons but that should not cloud our judgement of the previous 40 years.

Cup winners since Jacobs purchased the team:
Montreal-6x
Edmonton-5x
Detroit and NYI-4x
Pittsburgh and NJD-3x
Chicago and Colorado-2x (add LA soon)
Boston, NYR, Philadelphia, Anaheim, Carolina, Tampa, Dallas, and Calgary-1x each

Very good team, yes. One of the most successful, uh no.

Sorry for the rant, carry on.

Callahan does not deserve 7 million per to teach kids how to be hockey players. Isn't that what the coach is for? I understand leadership but you win games by scoring. No one is worth 7 mil for "intangibles".
- Buffalo-Sabres

I'm Ok with it not being Callahan
But we have to figure something out
Lack of leadership killed our last young group of prospects (Roy, vanek, etc)
I don't wanna make that mistake again

Its not working for Edm right now either
And as much as I like Tavares, does he have any vet leadership there with him?

Even if Boston wins a cup within the next decade and Dallas doesn't?
- buffalofan19

Yes even if. Boston won a cup with Seguin, lost in the finals with Seguin.

Seguin was never there franchise player or the reason they won the cup, If Dallas does win one, Seguin will be a huge reason.

Dallas got the best player by a country mile. IMO they bought too much into themselves when they traded Seguin


I also don't think it can be assumed they will automatically win another cup

I'm Ok with it not being Callahan
But we have to figure something out
Lack of leadership killed our last young group of prospects (Roy, vanek, etc)
I don't wanna make that mistake again

Its not working for Edm right now either
And as much as I like Tavares, does he have any vet leadership there with him?
- jdfitz77

Really? How do you figure?

Yes even if. Boston won a cup with Seguin, lost in the finals with Seguin.

Seguin was never there franchise player or the reason they won the cup, If Dallas does win one, Seguin will be a huge reason.

Dallas got the best player by a country mile. IMO they bought too much into themselves when they traded Seguin


I also don't think it can be assumed they will automatically win another cup
- sbroads24

I don't think it can be assumed, but I do think they will win another one with that core. I'm still not sure Dallas becomes a championship team. If I had to pick one or the other, but not both, within the next decade, I'm still picking Boston.

To me, it's about the end result. If I end up with a championship, and the team I trade him to doesn't, I win the trade. If the other team gets one, and I don't, I lost it. If we both end up with championships (within relative distance from each other), it's a wash. If neither does, who really cares, regardless of who got the "best player". If the stated goal is to win the Stanley Cup, which, obviously it should be, then it should be the standard by which each trade is measured. It's why I hold 2006 and 2007 as nothing more than a nice memory.

Can't argue with that.

Given the choice between the two, I'd rather be overpaying Callahan his $7 mill, than burning $4 mill on Leino (and his abysmal offensive production).
- SuperCat

(Late response)

But leino at 4 mil is for one more year. No one answered my question. Who cares about the 14-15 Sabres?

I don't think it can be assumed, but I do think they will win another one with that core. To me, it's about the end result. If I end up with a championship, and the team I trade him to doesn't, I win the trade. If the other team gets one, and I don't, I lost it. If we both end up with championships (within relative distance from each other), it's a wash. If neither does, who really cares, regardless of who got the "best player". If the stated goal is to win the Stanley Cup, which, obviously it should be, then it should be the standard by which each trade is measured. It's why I hold 2006 and 2007 as nothing more than a nice memory.
- buffalofan19

Championships are a team accomplishment.

What if we win a championship despite the fact that Larsson is a bust, Zadarov has a career ending injury, and the 2nd round pick does nothing.
All the while Pominville continues to score 30 a year for Minnesota for 4-5 years but they never win. Do you say Buffalo won the trade because at some point we won a cup?

(btw...changing the avatar back was a nice touch)
- buffalofan19

If we sign Callahan I'm getting a jersey in his number with "Elmer's" for the name.

Championships are a team accomplishment.

What if we win a championship despite the fact that Larsson is a bust, Zadarov has a career ending injury, and the 2nd round pick does nothing.
All the while Pominville continues to score 30 a year for Minnesota for 4-5 years but they never win. Do you say Buffalo won the trade because at some point we won a cup?
- sbroads24

I say, at the very least, the trade is irrelevant, and doesn't bother me at all.

If it doesn't hinder me from winning a championship, I sure as hell didn't lose it.

(Late response)

But leino at 4 mil is for one more year. No one answered my question. Who cares about the 14-15 Sabres?
- Buffalo-Sabres

That POS Leino needs to be as far away from our young group as possible, so as not to teach his bad habits to any of them

(Late response)

But leino at 4 mil is for one more year. No one answered my question. Who cares about the 14-15 Sabres?
- Buffalo-Sabres

Leino is for 3 more years...14-15, 15-16, 16-17

Leino is for 3 more years...14-15, 15-16, 16-17
- Stripes77

Which is why the best and only answer to the original question is "neither".

Really? How do you figure?
- sbroads24

I think the situation at large killed them because it gave them big paychecks and a built in excuse not to accomplish anything big. That being said if this is to make an argument for Callahan, then he's worth 4.5 mil, not 7. 7 is for great players who do everything, not one thing.

Leino is for 3 more years...14-15, 15-16, 16-17
- Stripes77

My bad.

Which is why the best and only answer to the original question is "neither".
- buffalofan19

Which is why the Rock gave you a standing O!!

That POS Leino needs to be as far away from our young group as possible, so as not to teach his bad habits to any of them
- grand-magus

I thought it was for one more year and Pegula would just put his locker directly in the press box for that reason.

I say, at the very least, the trade is irrelevant, and doesn't bother me at all.

If it doesn't hinder me from winning a championship, I sure as hell didn't lose it.
- buffalofan19

Well there are other factors, we would end up having to replace Zadarov, Larsson etc who were supposed to be contributors. That is a loss IMO.

My bad.
- Buffalo-Sabres

No worries, if it was only for 1 more year I would keep him just to hit the cap floor but I want him no where near the team after that. Sadly we don't get to bank those buyouts...I would use one on him after next season and save it for The Hoff before that recapture penalty hits!!!

I say, at the very least, the trade is irrelevant, and doesn't bother me at all.

If it doesn't hinder me from winning a championship, I sure as hell didn't lose it.
- buffalofan19

So is the Scott Gomez/Ryan McDonagh trade irrelevant?

I just don't think it's as cut and dry. Sometimes teams just clearly get the better player

No worries, if it was only for 1 more year I would keep him just to hit the cap floor but I want him no where near the team after that. Sadly we don't get to bank those buyouts...I would use one on him after next season and save it for The Hoff before that recapture penalty hits!!!
- Stripes77

I have this sinking feeling that if we do grab Callahan its more Pegula meddling.


Btw, Hoff can and will be traded. No sweat. Decent return too.

Well there are other factors, we would end up having to replace Zadarov, Larsson etc who were supposed to be contributors. That is a loss IMO.
- sbroads24

If Zadorov is a bust, and they do need to replace him, having Jason Pominville still makes that a void that needed to be filled. You probably could make the same argument for Larsson since he's a different type of player. He doesn't help me fill those voids. Again, it's about the end result. Even if I give in and call it a "loss", it's a "loss" equivalent to a road game on the 3rd in four nights. It's one that I was going to write off anyway, and bothers me very little.

I have this sinking feeling that if we do grab Callahan its more Pegula meddling.


Btw, Hoff can and will be traded. No sweat. Decent return too.
- Buffalo-Sabres

Even if he is traded we are still on the hook if he retires early...