Yeah taking other teams throw always didn't work out for the Canucks . I suggest staying clear of of other teams rejects ,it turns into a cluster(frank).

Even now Flyer fans want to rid Vinny. You don't want another contract that you want to throw away.
- VANTEL

his 20 goals were nice. the rest of his game, and his remaining contract, not so much. will be interesting to see if they can find a taker, but will likely get stuck with some $. i pray that hextall is a little more judicious with dolling out dollars and term.

It jumps from a first a second and a third to 4x firsts . There is no two firsts
- VANTEL

I think there is, but it would require close to $7M AAV. That's not going to happen.

It would likely be a first, second and third.

I think there is, but it would require close to $7M AAV. That's not going to happen.

It would likely be a first, second and third.
- PhillySportsGuy

You are correct sir

I would leve offer at 5 mil per.

I want to keep him so we don't continue making the same mistakes of the past. Sharp, Williams, Richards and Carter are a daily discussion. All of which have recently played hockey.
- SuperSchennBros

i agree with you. i don't want to see him dumped, for the same reason i didn't want jvr shipped out. our formers are all key playoff contributors. it remains to be seen if jvr can become that kind of player. being stuck in the wasteland that is toronto, he may never get the opportunity.

i want to give schenn a chance. the kid is 22 (frank)ing years old.

I'm sure you're going to assume that I'm just picking on you but this sort of thinking to me is like blaming Lecavalier for World Hunger or your Milk going Sour. Lecavalier spent a large part of the first half of the season injured, he saw a large amount of time in late December and early January playing with Couturier and Read. Then in April as you love to point out, he was centering the fouth line. Brayden Schenn has to find it within himself to improve his play and this has nothing to do with anyone else. Schenn had 8 minutes in penalties during the playoffs, each penalty unnecessary.
- SuperSchennBros

This is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Also, Schenn had his best game in game 6 when VL was moved to the 4th line.

I know you probably aren't a firm believer in advanced stats, but when Schenn played with Hartnell and Simmonds, he had 53% Corsi and was +7. When he played with Raffl and Simmonds, he had a 56% Corsi and finished as an Even player. When he was with VL and Simmonds, he had a 44% Corsi and was a -4.

He was sheltered more and given better zone starts with VL as well, which makes these numbers even more lopsided.

Source http://www.broadstreethoc...-in-review-brayden-schenn

Away from VL, he was a much better player. I don't even think Simmonds is the perfect line mate for him. I think Jake is the best line mate for him, but they don't have anyone good enough to play with G, if they take Jake away from him.

I'm getting too much of a cautious feeling towards Brayden Schenn. This season Schenn managed 41 points. His point totals suggest he's only going to continue to get better. I feel it's premature to suggest he'll only be worthy averaging 40 to 45 points a season. To assume such only suggests what he's done this season, is all he's capable of doing. Right now is as far up as Schenn's ceiling goes. I don't believe this to be true at all. Mike Richards also had 41 points this season, which to me is a clear decline from his usual offensive numbers of the past. With more Ice Time and responsibility Brayden Schenn, the sky could still be the limit for this young player. Not necessary the same status as Giroux but still a key contributor on this team.

If Streit plays like he did in the second half of the season, his contract isn't an issue at all.
- Jsaquella

Let's hope that's the guy that shows up for most of the rest of the contract... if not, the problems on D and tough cap situation will just get that much worse.

You are correct sir

I would leve offer at 5 mil per.
- VANTEL

I think the Flyers would begrudgingly match that then look to possibly move him the following offseason depending on where Laughton and Couturier are in their development.

It would be smart for the Devils or Isles to make an OS to screw the Flyers.

Edit: Isles can't because they lack the compensation

I wouldn't view a player as replaceable to rationalize the possiblity of losing him. Schenn is very young. He's what? 22? He might not reach his potential until he's 25, which I'm fine with waiting. He's coming off a 20 goal season and there is still room to give him more responsibility. I personally think he should be killing penalties. Jake Voracek signed something like 2.25 million for one year when traded to the Flyers while entering his fourth season. This is where Schenn is at within his career, except Schenn has the goals Voracek did not. We might not like the cap hit but we should definitely retain him.
- SuperSchennBros

It's not a rationalization -- there are limits to which a player should be compensated based on production, potential and value to the team.

Claude Giroux isn't replaceable. But Brayden Schenn?

Hell, i want to keep the player but even I will admit that the Flyers have enough centers to offset his departure, and it might be seamless. You turn the picks into a LW or defenseman, and you might be even better off.

This one isn't a touch call, to me. If the offer sheet is high enough, take the picks, roll with Vinny as the No. 2 center, spend Schenn's cap savings from his departure on a LW, and presto: You are good to go.

This is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Also, Schenn had his best game in game 6 when VL was moved to the 4th line.

I know you probably aren't a firm believer in advanced stats, but when Schenn played with Hartnell and Simmonds, he had 53% Corsi and was +7. When he played with Raffl and Simmonds, he had a 56% Corsi and finished as an Even player. When he was with VL and Simmonds, he had a 44% Corsi and was a -4.

He was sheltered more and given better zone starts with VL as well, which makes these numbers even more lopsided.

Source http://www.broadstreethoc...-in-review-brayden-schenn

Away from VL, he was a much better player. I don't even think Simmonds is the perfect line mate for him. I think Jake is the best line mate for him, but they don't have anyone good enough to play with G, if they take Jake away from him.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't believe in any of this. Schenn didn't play with Lecavalier at all Game 1 and still managed to have his worst game of the series.

Would you guys consider a j.schultz for b.schenn deal?

I'd do this if the oilers want a Sam Bennett player but also want leon draisaitl

I'd also only do this if we could move gagner for a dman like Ryan Ellis.

It's not a rationalization -- there are limits to which a player should be compensated based on production, potential and value to the team.

Claude Giroux isn't replaceable. But Brayden Schenn?

Hell, i want to keep the player but even I will admit that the Flyers have enough centers to offset his departure, and it might be seamless. You turn the picks into a LW or defenseman, and you might be even better off.

This one isn't a touch call, to me. If the offer sheet is high enough, take the picks, roll with Vinny as the No. 2 center, spend Schenn's cap savings from his departure on a LW, and presto: You are good to go.
- AllInForFlyers

Only if Slow-mo became real time

It's not a rationalization -- there are limits to which a player should be compensated based on production, potential and value to the team.

Claude Giroux isn't replaceable. But Brayden Schenn?

Hell, i want to keep the player but even I will admit that the Flyers have enough centers to offset his departure, and it might be seamless. You turn the picks into a LW or defenseman, and you might be even better off.

This one isn't a touch call, to me. If the offer sheet is high enough, take the picks, roll with Vinny as the No. 2 center, spend Schenn's cap savings from his departure on a LW, and presto: You are good to go.
- AllInForFlyers

It's really not a tough choice me either. Play Schenn on wing. I wouldn't even over think it.

i agree with you. i don't want to see him dumped, for the same reason i didn't want jvr shipped out. our formers are all key playoff contributors. it remains to be seen if jvr can become that kind of player. being stuck in the wasteland that is toronto, he may never get the opportunity.

i want to give schenn a chance. the kid is 22 (frank)ing years old.
- hammarby31

If JvR were allowed to grow with Giroux, I promise you, we would have seen different results. Bozak is a far cry from Giroux.

I think the Flyers would begrudgingly match that then look to possibly move him the following offseason depending on where Laughton and Couturier are in their development.

It would be smart for the Devils or Isles to make an OS to screw the Flyers.

Edit: Isles can't because they lack the compensation
- PhillySportsGuy

I think you can fully expect Nashville to OS couturier in 2016 . It think they are going to make you pay high for that one .

As a trade I would offer up Tanev and a second for Schenn, but I know Flyers fans would turn it down. He was one of our best Dmen for periods of weeks at a time last year ,but is virtually unheard of out East.

Only if Slow-mo became real time
- puckhead17

I hear you, but again: I tell myself daily to prepare for Vinny being here, because with that contract and a no-trade, he might outlive us all

I don't even think Simmonds is the perfect line mate for him.
- PhillySportsGuy

He had most of his junior success paired with speedier guys like Calvert and Glennie... maybe Read and Raffl might be a combo they could consider. Having them back the D in with their speed might give Schenn a little more room to work with.

I think you can fully expect Nashville to OS couturier in 2016 . It think they are going to make you pay high for that one .

As a trade I would offer up Tanev and a second for Schenn, but I know Flyers fans would turn it down. He was one of our best for periods of weeks at a time last year ,but is virtually unheard of out East.
- VANTEL

interesting, Couts scoring 40 points is the equivalent to a 60 point, non back checking center.

It's really not a tough choice me either. Play Schenn on wing. I wouldn't even over think it.
- SuperSchennBros

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result

Playing Schenn on the wing is entering that realm

I don't believe in any of this. Schenn didn't play with Lecavalier at all Game 1 and still managed to have this worst game of the series.
- SuperSchennBros

Well, I'm sorry if you don't believe in facts. What I provided is legitimate data showing the numbers with certain linemates.

I hear you, but again: I tell myself daily to prepare for Vinny being here, because with that contract and a no-trade, he might outlive us all
- AllInForFlyers

Which is funny, all the talk trade talk regarding him.

I think the only GM that wanted to throw excessive years & cash at him, shares an office with Clarke.

I think you can fully expect Nashville to OS couturier in 2016 . It think they are going to make you pay high for that one .

As a trade I would offer up Tanev and a second for Schenn, but I know Flyers fans would turn it down. He was one of our best Dmen for periods of weeks at a time last year ,but is virtually unheard of out East.
- VANTEL

that's assuming they have the money and he fits into their plans at that time. the flyers can also re-sign him before then preventing the OS scenario.

I think you can fully expect Nashville to OS couturier in 2016 . It think they are going to make you pay high for that one .

As a trade I would offer up Tanev and a second for Schenn, but I know Flyers fans would turn it down. He was one of our best Dmen for periods of weeks at a time last year ,but is virtually unheard of out East.
- VANTEL

I like Tanev, but no I wouldn't do that.

Couturier, likely, won't ever reach rfa. Flyers rarely let players reach rfa. Schenn is the first in a long time.

The problem with Schenn is his ELC was weird and his numbers suggest a better player than he was. There isn't a person on earth who would take Schenn over Couturier. In reality, Couturier is much more important than Schenn.

Well, I'm sorry if you don't believe in facts. What I provided is legitimate data showing the numbers with certain linemates.
- PhillySportsGuy

Eye call test. I watch the games and numbers can be misleading.

If JvR were allowed to grow with Giroux, I promise you, we would have seen different results. Bozak is a far cry from Giroux.
- SuperSchennBros

i still think luke can be a good player for us, but i'd much rather have kept jvr. word is that he's someone the leafs are willing to move, which i don't get at all.