The fan base down there seems pretty indifferent. I don't see much passion from them. Blasted Poile for matching that Weber offer sheet.

Is Poile blind in one eye now? Thought I read that somewhere.
- PLindbergh31

I was down there for a game and they seemed pretty fired up. There's apparently a lot of transients who come from hockey cities, so they have a fairly strong fanbase. I just don't think there's much corporate support.

That was pretty amusing.
- PLindbergh31

his finest moment as gm. sadly.

see. now, this really is a shame.

ill humor this initially. letang? i truly believe should they so choose, they could move letang without keeping a red cent. might not get a huge haul. but most certainly.

fleury. no. i dont believe that.

scuderi, i most certainly dont believe that. id move a 4th rounder with him just to be rid of him. because he is a, oh yeah, a negative asset.

now. aside from the fact i have absolutely no ownership stake in the team whatsoever, literally 0 players on the pens have one scintilla of relevance when discussing and evaluating VL. if youd like to just agree to disagree thats fine. or change the subject, thats fine too.

but changing the subject, as a foundation of your argument, is not good at fostering credibility.
- stayinthefnnet

Letang has red flags now. Fair or not. Also his no trade kicks in i think july 1st. He is a dyanamic player but For what he is getting paid now will probably have to keep some money. i think you will see a lot more trades where teams keep some money as a way to get better prospects or picks.

Fleury you might be right. Teams always need goalies so maybe you don't have to keep any money.

Scuderi is not getting you a 4th rounder. I don't think he gets moved unless they take a 6th.

You think your pens will be able to move Letang or Fluery without keeping some money. Letang could have another stroke anytime and makes a lot of money and is not really good in his own zone and Fluery has shown to be inconsistant in the playoffs.
- J35Bacher

I would take either for Vinny straight up.

I don't think it will be that easy. Teams know their situation. I think some will have to be retained.
- J35Bacher

i dont think the pens even look to trade letang. although who knows. it was shero who was in love with him.

that being said. there is no way they have to eat a penny. what is their situation? they dont have to trade letang for cap reasons. sure, they are going to lose niskanen. but i would rather letang for one million more than niskanen.

i think trading letang is something they should look at, but from largely a hockey perspective. not a forced hand cap maneuver.

Letang has red flags now. Fair or not. Also his no trade kicks in i think july 1st. He is a dyanamic player but For what he is getting paid now will probably have to keep some money. i think you will see a lot more trades where teams keep some money as a way to get better prospects or picks.

Fleury you might be right. Teams always need goalies so maybe you don't have to keep any money.

Scuderi is not getting you a 4th rounder. I don't think he gets moved unless they take a 6th.
- J35Bacher

You may want to reread his post.

see. now, this really is a shame.

ill humor this initially. letang? i truly believe should they so choose, they could move letang without keeping a red cent. might not get a huge haul. but most certainly.

fleury. no. i dont believe that.

scuderi, i most certainly dont believe that. id move a 4th rounder with him just to be rid of him. because he is a, oh yeah, a negative asset.

now. aside from the fact i have absolutely no ownership stake in the team whatsoever, literally 0 players on the pens have one scintilla of relevance when discussing and evaluating VL. if youd like to just agree to disagree thats fine. or change the subject, thats fine too.

but changing the subject, as a foundation of your argument, is not good at fostering credibility.
- stayinthefnnet

what exactly is the numeric value of a single scintilla?

what exactly is the numeric value of a single scintilla?
- hammarby31

3 space bucks and 2.6 iotas.

Letang has red flags now. Fair or not. Also his no trade kicks in i think july 1st. He is a dyanamic player but For what he is getting paid now will probably have to keep some money. i think you will see a lot more trades where teams keep some money as a way to get better prospects or picks.

Fleury you might be right. Teams always need goalies so maybe you don't have to keep any money.

Scuderi is not getting you a 4th rounder. I don't think he gets moved unless they take a 6th.
- J35Bacher

no no no. you misread or i mistyped.

i would move a fourth rounder WITH scuderi.

fleury, i could see needing to retain salary. i dont think he is god awful, but he makes 5 per year. thats a lot for what essentially averages out to an average goalie.

but letang. no way. i understand he has flaws. he isnt going to bring back say pietrangelo and david backes or something nutty. but, he could be moved without retaining money.

im allergic to cats. thanks friend.
- stayinthefnnet

Sorry. We know you prefer the rooster

what exactly is the numeric value of a single scintilla?
- hammarby31

the numbers of red hairs i have

What's the most money the Flyers can eat on Vinny's deal? Is it like a max of 50% of the deal, or an actual dollar amount?

What's the most money the Flyers can eat on Vinny's deal? Is it like a max of 50% of the deal, or an actual dollar amount?
- eayost

I believe it is 50%. I think they are charged 50% of his cap hit and responsible for 50% of his real dollar annual salary.

Sorry. We know you prefer the rooster
- J35Bacher

Jeez relax.

You asked people to break down your roster from a logical standpoint... this is what you get.

Jeez relax.

You asked people to break down your roster from a logical standpoint... this is what you get.
- Tomahawk

right. i thought the roster was damn sensible for the most part. just didnt see vinny netting mdz.

Jeez relax.

You asked people to break down your roster from a logical standpoint... this is what you get.
- Tomahawk

"Please people, let me know your honest opinions, I welcome it."
- logical cirticisms ensue-
"Shut the (frank) up, you people are all idiots, and you Pens fans are all red-headed douche bags."

Jeez relax.

You asked people to break down your roster from a logical standpoint... this is what you get.
- Tomahawk

It's why I never bother trying to make one myself and asking for critique

I'll just let Hextall/Snider do it instead

ovechkin was minus 45 or something. But i take him in a heartbeat. We could have used some of those 45 goals in games we could't score. Players have roles. his is to score. Knowing that his line mates have to maybe pick up the d a little bit more then normal. But i know the Flyers could have used a sniper like him
- J35Bacher

I dont even want to argue. We're not even close to being on the same page. It would just be tiresome

It's why I never bother trying to make one myself and asking for critique

I'll just let Hextall/Snider do it instead
- eayost

I find several flaws with your post, and am insinuating many arguments and derogatory remarks by posting this.

no no no. you misread or i mistyped.

i would move a fourth rounder WITH scuderi.

fleury, i could see needing to retain salary. i dont think he is god awful, but he makes 5 per year. thats a lot for what essentially averages out to an average goalie.

but letang. no way. i understand he has flaws. he isnt going to bring back say pietrangelo and david backes or something nutty. but, he could be moved without retaining money.
- stayinthefnnet

I wouldn't move the 4th with Scuderi. Since losing Orpick I would just keep scuderi and the pick. Almost better value to keep then what you would get moving him.

For letang and Fluery we will just have to disagree then. I understand my opinion is not popular. I understand what Letang brings but for what he will get, and with the medicle history I think money would be retained.

Sorry. We know you prefer the rooster
- J35Bacher

being gay is not a bad thing, contrary to what simple minded folks may believe. so i dont even necessarily take it as one.

but judging by your context, i assume i am somehow ruffling your feathers. i will leave you be if you are incapable of having a difference in opinion.

I dont even want to argue. We're not even close to being on the same page. It would just be tiresome
- PhillySportsGuy

What, you don't think Vinny L and A Ovechkin are identical or at least fairly similar players? I mean, they both can skate, use hockey sticks...that's pretty much all there is to be the same, right?

being gay is not a bad thing, contrary to what simple minded folks may believe. so i dont even necessarily take it as one.

but judging by your context, i assume i am somehow ruffling your feathers. i will leave you be if you are incapable of having a difference in opinion.
- stayinthefnnet

I see what you did there... unless you weren't talking about rooster plumage.

being gay is not a bad thing, contrary to what simple minded folks may believe. so i dont even necessarily take it as one.

but judging by your context, i assume i am somehow ruffling your feathers. i will leave you be if you are incapable of having a difference in opinion.
- stayinthefnnet

Oh man...I totally didn't understand the rooster thing at all.

Jeez relax.

You asked people to break down your roster from a logical standpoint... this is what you get.
- Tomahawk

My roster and if Pens keeping money are differnet. I thought the blog was supposed to prmote ideas and conversation. Which by the number of pages it has.