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stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 30 @ 10:53 AM ET
I think the MacDonald deal helps set the market for Stralman. He may not get as much, but close. He'll be one of the top defenseman in free agency.
- MJL


yup. a few years ago hed be a guy you can get an hour or so into the signing period for like 3 years at 2.75/3 a pop. and would be the type of signing that really makes a relative difference.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 30 @ 10:53 AM ET
Cap wise, your roster is doable.
- MJL



But i want more then doable. I want it to be a change that can help the team be better. I thnk Raymond as a nice blend of speed and skill and scores on shootouts. Griess can be a nice back up. Had good numbers last year behind smith. Komarov brings a good skating and skill and grit mix that fits for the new team system of speed and attack
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 30 @ 10:54 AM ET
But i want more then doable. I want it to be a change that can help the team be better. I thnk Raymond as a nice blend of speed and skill and scores on shootouts. Griess can be a nice back up. Had good numbers last year behind smith. Komarov brings a good skating and skill and grit mix that fits for the new team system of speed and attack
- J35Bacher


I'm not sure B Schenn will be signed for Couturier money. Think it'll be over 1.75M
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 30 @ 10:55 AM ET
yup. a few years ago hed be a guy you can get an hour or so into the signing period for like 3 years at 2.75/3 a pop. and would be the type of signing that really makes a relative difference.
- stayinthefnnet



I actually think the Weidman signin was what changed the market. Made average guys start getting more
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 30 @ 10:55 AM ET
But i want more then doable. I want it to be a change that can help the team be better. I thnk Raymond as a nice blend of speed and skill and scores on shootouts. Griess can be a nice back up. Had good numbers last year behind smith. Komarov brings a good skating and skill and grit mix that fits for the new team system of speed and attack
- J35Bacher


i was always intrigued by raymond, but always heard more bad than good about him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 30 @ 10:56 AM ET
But i want more then doable. I want it to be a change that can help the team be better. I thnk Raymond as a nice blend of speed and skill and scores on shootouts. Griess can be a nice back up. Had good numbers last year behind smith. Komarov brings a good skating and skill and grit mix that fits for the new team system of speed and attack
- J35Bacher



What exactly players will sign for, is a guessing game. As is how player will perform.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 30 @ 10:56 AM ET
I actually think the Weidman signin was what changed the market. Made average guys start getting more
- J35Bacher


i dont know if it was the watershed moment or not, but it certainly is one of the high water marks.

and stuff will never be the same.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 30 @ 10:56 AM ET
I'm not sure B Schenn will be signed for Couturier money. Think it'll be over 1.75M
- eayost



Hi first deal was a weird deal so he had a high cap hit. I think he will get the same type of bridge deal as Couturier. He scored 20 goals but Coutuirer plays harder minutes, kills penalites, plays in end of game tough situations that schenn doesn't
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
Wow 10 pages already....what happened??
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
What exactly players will sign for, is a guessing game. As is how player will perform.
- MJL



I got it. I think the mix is good and still leaves cap room for something at the deadline depending on what you need.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 30 @ 10:58 AM ET
I'm not sure B Schenn will be signed for Couturier money. Think it'll be over 1.75M
- eayost


if he signs for that little, he must really want to not make waves in flyerland.

coots got that bridge deal off of an awful developmental year.

i realize he brings more than goals, but goals usually translate better in salary demands. schenn did score 20 last year, and everyone is banking on more. plus, just the nature of salary in general now is to trend higher than before.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 30 @ 10:58 AM ET
MJL. Can yuo check out my roster as i thknk you tend to be more logical then some
- J35Bacher


Vinny for MDZ??? LOL. (And why would he be willing to sign for less than his qualifying offer?)

Tyler Johnson set the market for Brayden Schenn -- you're looking at $2-3M per just to start the conversation.

Way too much money tied up in Raymond and Komarov.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
Wow 10 pages already....what happened??
- Giroux_Is_God


Carcillo happened
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 30 @ 11:00 AM ET
Carcillo happened
- PhillySportsGuy

Ew
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 30 @ 11:00 AM ET
Vinny for MDZ??? LOL. (And why would he be willing to sign for less than his qualifying offer?)

Tyler Johnson set the market for Brayden Schenn -- you're looking at $2-3M per just to start the conversation.

Way too much money tied up in Raymond and Komarov.

- Tomahawk


i wouldnt move MDZ for vinny if i was Nash. MDZ for hartnell maybe.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 30 @ 11:00 AM ET
Ew
- Giroux_Is_God


I know
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 30 @ 11:00 AM ET
Snider cant be happy that New York may win another cup within 20 years
- vejim


they are not beating LA or Chicago. They might make it a series but thats it.


*Disclaimer: This statement is void if kreider runs quick
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 30 @ 11:01 AM ET
Wow 10 pages already....what happened??
- Giroux_Is_God

friday and no one feels like working.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
Watching the fourth line for the Rangers last night made me want a better 4th line so bad. i know we need upgrades at other places. I just feel the fourth line could be so much better and take some hard minutes off Couturier and not be a liability out there.
- J35Bacher


according to some, the 4th line is irrelevant and is never the reason a team wins or loses a game. yeah, well, the 4th line was a big reason why the rangers beat the flyers, and it scored the only goal in an elimination game to put them in the SCF.

the 4th line matters.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
Hi first deal was a weird deal so he had a high cap hit. I think he will get the same type of bridge deal as Couturier. He scored 20 goals but Coutuirer plays harder minutes, kills penalites, plays in end of game tough situations that schenn doesn't
- J35Bacher


Their offensive numbers are more similar than I just imagined they were offhand. Didn't realize Couturier had 39 points this year. However, had Couturier waited until now to do the bridge deal, I think he'd get north of the 1.75M he signed. If that was all it'd take to get Schenn, I can't imagine it wouldn't be done already.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
they are not beating LA or Chicago. They might make it a series but thats it.


*Disclaimer: This statement is void if kreider runs quick

- PhillaBully


Lundqvist is the equalizer. In two of the 3 Cups Finals these teams have won they beat Michael Leighton, and Old Man Brodeur.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 30 @ 11:04 AM ET
Vinny for MDZ??? LOL. (And why would he be willing to sign for less than his qualifying offer?)

Tyler Johnson set the market for Brayden Schenn -- you're looking at $2-3M per just to start the conversation.

Way too much money tied up in Raymond and Komarov.

- Tomahawk



1. You can give him a longer deal and a chance for more minutes. Kind of what the Flyers did to Mason.

2. Brayden is an RFA so the Flyers have leverage.

3. Raymond made 1 million last year and Komarov will need to be in the 2 range. If no Komorav I would still look at Kulemin too.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 30 @ 11:04 AM ET
Yeah, (frank) the loyalty!


They should totally start treating their current and ex players like crap.

- MBFlyerfan


see: neilson, roger. it's not the flyers fault he went all goofy and got cancer on them.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
i wouldnt move MDZ for vinny if i was Nash. MDZ for hartnell maybe.
- stayinthefnnet



Could you imagine Vinny in the Central? That's an entire division that can skate, especially dmen.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 30 @ 11:06 AM ET
see: neilson, roger. it's not the flyers fault he went all goofy and got cancer on them.
- hammarby31


Have to think Clarke would like to take that comment back. Was one of the most insensitive things I've heard someone say.
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