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ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 31 @ 9:31 PM ET
Lucic was 16-17 in his first year of junior not 18-19...
- AdamFrench



Ya I know, but they were in similar situations in terms of role and ice-time. Age means a lot less than experience and situation if you ask me.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 31 @ 9:35 PM ET
Ya I know, but they were in similar situations in terms of role and ice-time. Age means a lot less than experience and situation if you ask me.
- ehabs9

Yes. Best 19 year old 34 points OHL first round pick ever. Just needs to be playing 40 minutes a night and he'll show everybody.

Sounds like EK and his Briere love.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

May 31 @ 9:37 PM ET
Yes. Best 19 year old 34 points OHL first round pick ever. Just needs to be playing 40 minutes a night and he'll show everybody.

Sounds like EK and his Briere love.

- AdamFrench




Who was the guy QP was all over for leading his team in the Q for scoring and was like 20 (frank)ing years old?
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 31 @ 9:41 PM ET
Yes. Best 19 year old 34 points OHL first round pick ever. Just needs to be playing 40 minutes a night and he'll show everybody.

Sounds like EK and his Briere love.

- AdamFrench



All I was originally saying was that there's no reason to call McCarron a bust because his first year in junior playing in a limited role wasn't great.

I brought up Lucic because he said he wanted to play a similar style of game. Could have been almost any first year junior player. Most first year junior players are placed in the bottom 6 and don't have great seasons as they get used to the league and don't see a ton of ice-time.

The age thing doesn't make much of a difference in my opinion because it's about their situations being the same. All you could really argue is McCarron was going into it slightly more mature. Saying someone should be better than someone else placed in the same position solely because they're 2 years older is pretty idiotic.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 31 @ 9:48 PM ET
Way to spin it all out of context


All I was originally saying was that there's no reason to call McCaron a bust because his first year in junior playing in a limited role wasn't great.

I brought up Lucic because he said he wanted to play a similar style of game. Could have been almost any first year junior player. Most first year junior players are placed in the bottom 6 and don't have great seasons as they get used to the league and don't see a ton of ice-time.

The age thing doesn't make much of a difference in my opinion because it's about their situations being the same. All you could really argue is McCaron was going into it slightly more mature. Saying someone should be better than someone else placed in the same position solely because they're 2 years older is pretty idiotic.

- ehabs9

It wasn't his first year in junior. He played in the USHL the year before.

In the OHL the difference between a 16 year old rookie and an 18 year old one is night and day.

McCarron came to London with the hopes that they had snagged a top-6 power forward...he failed. And no, 18 year olds aren't placed in the bottom-6 automatically because they're rookies. Wtf is that? Galchenyuk was a 16 year old rookie in the OHL and he was on the first line immediately...why? Because he was good. Lucic sucked at 16 and nobody denies it, McCarron sucked at 16 too, but he did so in the USDP.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

May 31 @ 9:49 PM ET
le boom
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 31 @ 9:51 PM ET
Honeybaked U18 MWEHL 38 6 12 18

MCCARRON AT 16 AGAINST?? U18 players in some pissant league, look at those elite numbers, watch out Lucic, while you had to play against the CHL's best, McCarron was busy playing against baked people eating honey and sucking at it.
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 31 @ 9:56 PM ET
It wasn't his first year in junior. He played in the USHL the year before.

In the OHL the difference between a 16 year old rookie and an 18 year old one is night and day.

McCarron came to London with the hopes that they had snagged a top-6 power forward...he failed. And no, 18 year olds aren't placed in the bottom-6 automatically because they're rookies. Wtf is that? Galchenyuk was a 16 year old rookie in the OHL and he was on the first line immediately...why? Because he was good. Lucic sucked at 16 and nobody denies it, McCarron sucked at 16 too, but he did so in the USDP.

- AdamFrench


I don't see those as comparable. USHL isn't great preparation for the CHL, most especially the OHL.

But at least you're making valid points in terms of why he should have been better beyond that fact that he's "2 years older."

Gally also didn't have much competition for a top 6 spot in Sarnia at the time, but I agree McCaron would have been given top 6 minutes had he been good enough. London was fairly talent heavy as well though.


I never once denied that he had a disappointing season. But giving up on him because he had a bad year his first year playing Canadian junior hockey is stupid. Might as well pull your kid out of school if they don't do well in their first year at a new level.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

May 31 @ 10:00 PM ET



Sweet! It's even in French!
mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 31 @ 10:07 PM ET
I don't see those as comparable. USHL isn't great preparation for the CHL, most especially the OHL.

But at least you're making valid points in terms of why he should have been better beyond that fact that he's "2 years older."

Gally also didn't have much competition for a top 6 spot in Sarnia at the time, but I agree McCaron would have been given top 6 minutes had he been good enough. London was fairly talent heavy as well though.


I never once denied that he had a disappointing season. But giving up on him because he had a bad year his first year playing Canadian junior hockey is stupid. Might as well pull your kid out of school if they don't do well in their first year at a new level.

- ehabs9

McBuston
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 31 @ 10:12 PM ET
McBuston
- mr.peanut


Maybe

I haven't said anything definitive on whether or not he's a bust, simply that it's too early to say. I can't be wrong regardless of how he turns out.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 31 @ 10:13 PM ET
Maybe

I haven't said anything definitive on whether or not he's a bust, simply that it's too early to say. I can't be wrong regardless of how he turns out.

- ehabs9

True enough
mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 31 @ 10:24 PM ET
Maybe

I haven't said anything definitive on whether or not he's a bust, simply that it's too early to say. I can't be wrong regardless of how he turns out.

- ehabs9

He may not be a bust, but they reached on him because they thought he was the best big guy available when it was their turn to pick.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

May 31 @ 10:35 PM ET
He may not be a bust, but they reached on him because they thought he was the best big guy available when it was their turn to pick.
- mr.peanut


I don't know why they didn't wait...they had 3 picks in the second round, with the 34th and the 36th. He would have probably still been available.
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

May 31 @ 11:12 PM ET
Wow you guys hear about Lucic being a Richard in the handshake line?
mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 31 @ 11:14 PM ET
Wow you guys hear about Lucic being a Richard in the handshake line?
- dt99999

I have not.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

May 31 @ 11:26 PM ET
I have not.
- mr.peanut

meh fatigue gets the best of everyone ever forever ish
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

May 31 @ 11:51 PM ET
It's time to wipe away those tears and write a new blog.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 31 @ 11:52 PM ET
Wow you guys hear about Lucic being a Richard in the handshake line?
- dt99999


Gonna get some walleyes next week Dan!

Jean_Perron
Location: Fleurimont, Québec
Joined: 08.03.2012

Jun 1 @ 1:16 AM ET
He may not be a bust, but they reached on him because they thought he was the best big guy available when it was their turn to pick.
- mr.peanut


They probably thought he wouldn't be there at #34.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 1 @ 1:46 AM ET
Wow you guys hear about Lucic being a Richard in the handshake line?
- dt99999


He even wrote a children's book about it

BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Jun 1 @ 6:42 AM ET
Genie Bouchard wins 6-1, 6-2

Damn....she's good!
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 1 @ 7:20 AM ET
Genie Bouchard wins 6-1, 6-2

Damn....she's good!

- BashCH

Strong game definitely but again very disappointing that her and her opponents didn't scissor on court after the match.

Those little kisses... We're not in the 50's anymore.
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 1 @ 7:20 AM ET
Gonna get some walleyes next week Dan!
- pete26

Yessssss. Where?
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jun 1 @ 7:32 AM ET
Genie Bouchard wins 6-1, 6-2

Damn....she's good!

- BashCH

I fapped 17 times while watching.
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