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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 9:49 AM ET
But what do you want more. B.Schenn to play center and keep developig or playing vinny on the wing where he wasn't really useful or the 4th line. If the Flyers priority is to let Schenn keep developing and becoming more consistant then you want him playing center on an everday basis. That's why I move Vinny. Yes we aren't dealing from a position of strength but you can't have it both ways. Can't want the Flyers to let the kids grow and become more consistant but then still keep Vinny and make schenn move back and fourth from center and wing
- J35Bacher


This
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 9:53 AM ET
Completely agree. Homer built this team with way too many centers. Someone has to go.

G
Schenn
Vinny
Cooter
Hall
Laughts

- Jimmygrazz



In all fairness G was a wing and became a center. And Having depth is not a bad thing at center. i just don't think the centers they have are as easy to move to wings. Like carter was a center but the way he played he was a better winger and because he liked to shoot more. G is a better center then wing because of the way he is a playmaker.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 22 @ 9:55 AM ET
This

- BiggE


Agreed -- that's why if they can resolve this in any comprehensible way, they just gotta do it
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 9:56 AM ET
On a think it would be funny note. Pierre McGuire could be a possiblity for Pens GM job. Anyone else find this priceless.

Pierre heart Sid.


johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 22 @ 9:56 AM ET
But what do you want more. B.Schenn to play center and keep developig or playing vinny on the wing where he wasn't really useful or the 4th line. If the Flyers priority is to let Schenn keep developing and becoming more consistant then you want him playing center on an everday basis. That's why I move Vinny. Yes we aren't dealing from a position of strength but you can't have it both ways. Can't want the Flyers to let the kids grow and become more consistant but then still keep Vinny and make schenn move back and fourth from center and wing
- J35Bacher


Of course.

You can poop in one hand and wish Vinny Lecavalier away in the other. See which one happens first.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 9:57 AM ET
On a think it would be funny note. Pierre McGuire could be a possiblity for Pens GM job. Anyone else find this priceless.

Pierre heart Sid.



- J35Bacher


It would be his dream job for sure.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 9:57 AM ET
Agreed -- that's why if they can resolve this in any comprehensible way, they just gotta do it
- AllInForFlyers


And if you think about it you can get something for Vinny. For christ sake Washington trade there first round pick for an unhappy martin erat. Martin Erat!!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 22 @ 9:59 AM ET
In all fairness G was a wing and became a center. And Having depth is not a bad thing at center. i just don't think the centers they have are as easy to move to wings. Like carter was a center but the way he played he was a better winger and because he liked to shoot more. G is a better center then wing because of the way he is a playmaker.
- J35Bacher


The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 22 @ 10:00 AM ET
On a think it would be funny note. Pierre McGuire could be a possiblity for Pens GM job. Anyone else find this priceless.

Pierre heart Sid.



- J35Bacher


That can't be true
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 22 @ 10:02 AM ET
The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.

- johndewar


The horror is if it's a bit of all three
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 10:03 AM ET
The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.

- johndewar



It's not doing any favors. Your market his 20 goals, leadership, cannon of a onetimer on pp. Vinny had over 20 suitors it was reported when he chose the Flyers after the buyout. GM's have egos. Someone will think he can get another 20+ goals out of vinny. Now your not going to get a first round pick but teams are dumb. Nasvhille trade a first for Paul Gaudstad. Washington traded Flip Forsberg for Martin eRAT. I think a deal can be made. Just hope vinny waives NMC.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 10:03 AM ET
The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.

- johndewar


Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their pp.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 10:03 AM ET
The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.

- johndewar



It's not doing any favors. Your market his 20 goals, leadership, cannon of a onetimer on pp. Vinny had over 20 suitors it was reported when he chose the Flyers after the buyout. GM's have egos. Someone will think he can get another 20+ goals out of vinny. Now your not going to get a first round pick but teams are dumb. Nasvhille trade a first for Paul Gaudstad. Washington traded Flip Forsberg for Martin eRAT. I think a deal can be made. Just hope vinny waives NMC.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 10:04 AM ET
The real thing you worry about with Vinny is whether or not he's not a stylistic fit here and/or he was just injured last year OR is he simply a shot player at this point of his career?

The Flyers need to convince teams he's not a shot player and that won't be easy based off of last year. Teams ain't gonna line up to do the Flyers and Ron Hextall any favors.

- johndewar


Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their powerplay.

Edit: Sorry, don't know why this popped up twice
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 22 @ 10:06 AM ET
Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their powerplay.

Edit: Sorry, don't know why this popped up twice

- BiggE


We set the blog to repeat mode
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 10:06 AM ET
We set the blog to repeat mode
- PhillySportsGuy

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 22 @ 10:08 AM ET
Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their powerplay.

Edit: Sorry, don't know why this popped up twice

- BiggE


PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 22 @ 10:08 AM ET
Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their powerplay.

Edit: Sorry, don't know why this popped up twice

- BiggE



Correct. Just using Nasvhille as example they had 4 players with 20+ goals and one was weber. You don't think they could use some offense. What about a deal of Vinny for Del Zotto and Carter Hutton. You get a back up goalie and lowrisk/high reward dman. Nashville Hired Lavy who recruited Vinny and the system Vinny wanted to play in. I think that deal would be a win for the Flyers.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 22 @ 10:10 AM ET

- BiggE


I just want the season to end with the Rangers losing, so we can move on to the off-season
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 22 @ 10:16 AM ET
Kopitar is up in '16-'17. He'll want to get paid. Not saying he'll kill their cap, but if they like him, it'd behoove them to have some flexibility.
- johndewar



I suspect by then that they would have let a number of their more expensive vets leave in UFA and replaced them with some of that enviable system depth at forward. Richie's got a bit of a back-diving contract as well... maybe that makes it easier to move him toward the end if they get in a bind.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
I just want the season to end with the Rangers losing, so we can move on to the off-season
- PhillySportsGuy


Yes, please!
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

May 22 @ 10:24 AM ET
If they are patient and build through the draft, they are absolutely moving in the right direction and I have no problem taking a step backwards next year if it allows them to contend soon after. Plus the 2015 draft, by all reports, is supposed to be incredibly talented and deep, so if you have to take a step back 14-15 is the year to do it.

Considering that both Ghost and Morin will likely only be in their first full seasons in 15-16, I don't see them being a cup contender then. However by 16-17 and for the next few years, they have a very good chance to be one of the best teams in the league if they stay patient and draft well.

- BiggE

we may need to use canes at the next parade
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 22 @ 10:25 AM ET
On a think it would be funny note. Pierre McGuire could be a possiblity for Pens GM job. Anyone else find this priceless.

Pierre heart Sid.



- J35Bacher

que the pierre penguin gif in 3...2...1....

PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 22 @ 10:26 AM ET
PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
PLEASE BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS

- AllInForFlyers


ask toronto if they want vinny for a 3rd.....he would be playing with kessel and jvr every night.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

May 22 @ 10:27 AM ET
Considering he had a back injury and spent time playing out of position and on the 4th line and yet still scored 20 goals, I think you can make a pretty good case that he still has something in the tank.

I think Hextall can convince some team that while VL isn't a good fit for the Flyers, who are deep at center, he could certainly help a team who has holes to fill at the pivot and/or needs a shooter for their powerplay.

Edit: Sorry, don't know why this popped up twice

- BiggE

anything is possible, Burke got Homer to trade JVR for Schenn
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