I'm not sure Id give up a ton for Evander Kane. Dude is inconsistent as hell and sort of a head case.

The 8th overall pick and a prospect is about as far as id go
- sbroads24

Lets get real here, with the 8th pick of an NHL draft you're just hoping that you get a player of Kane's caliber so trading the pick for the sure thing(while he's still really young) is a no-brainer to anyone with any sort of common sense IMO.

Here's your 8th overall all-star lineup since 2000:
2000: Nikita Alexeev(the fuk is that?)
2001: Pascal Leclaire(lol)
2002: P.M. Bouchard(ha)
2003: Brayden Coburn(ask Flyers fan if they'd trade him for Kane)
2004: Alexandre Picard(lulz)
2005: Devin Setoguchi(if only he could play with Thornton every year)
2006: Peter Mueller(meh, even if he could of stayed healthy)
2007: Zach Hamil(the Canucks AHL team cut him this season)
2008: Mikkel Boedker(ask the 3 Yotes fans if they'd trade him for Kane)
2009: Scott Glennie(still young, but come on)
2010: Alex Burmistrov(KHL all-star yo)
2011: Sean Couturier(woot! finally someone good!)



If I was an NHL GM I'd always be looking to package picks to trade up, the draft is a crapshoot after the top tier of prospects in most years.

Lets get real here, with the 8th pick of an NHL draft you're just hoping that you get a player of Kane's caliber so trading the pick for the sure thing(while he's still really young) is a no-brainer to anyone with any sort of common sense IMO.

Here's your 8th overall all-star lineup since 2000:
2000: Nikita Alexeev(the fuk is that?)
2001: Pascal Leclaire(lol)
2002: P.M. Bouchard(ha)
2003: Brayden Coburn(ask Flyers fan if they'd trade him for Kane)
2004: Alexandre Picard(lulz)
2005: Devin Setoguchi(if only he could play with Thornton every year)
2006: Peter Mueller(meh, even if he could of stayed healthy)
2007: Zach Hamil(the Canucks AHL team cut him this season)
2008: Mikkel Boedker(ask the 3 Yotes fans if they'd trade him for Kane)
2009: Scott Glennie(still young, but come on)
2010: Alex Burmistrov(KHL all-star yo)
2011: Sean Couturier(woot! finally someone good!)



If I was an NHL GM I'd always be looking to package picks to trade up, the draft is a crapshoot after the top tier of prospects in most years.
- Nucker101

That list looks like an expansion team. Mostly Sh1t.

Your right leafs management isnt the dumb to trade the 8th for a average lazy player. Thanks for agreeing with me.
- jake24242

Dude, are you serious right now?

Kane is a legit top 6 winger on any team..ya he was a bit inconsistent this year (injuries hurt him) but he's only 22!

I don't even know why this is a discussion, Jets wouldn't trade him for a late top 10 pick..especially in a draft many are calling a weak class.

how many times in the last 10 years has your franchise finished bottom 5?

exactly, easily the most embarassing franchise in the league since basically gretkzy left minus 1 year.

yet daily you are chirping about something.
- big_dion

Sorry to say but your team has been and embarrassment to the league ever since they brought in more than 6 teams. You guys just keep chirping about how you were higher in the standings than us. Good job. You mortgaged your future to climb out of the basement and make the playoffs one year, and in the process gave up the franchise center and defenseman that you desperately need.
Dougie Hamilton + Tyler Seguin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil Kessel

Dude, are you serious right now?

Kane is a legit top 6 winger on any team..ya he was a bit inconsistent this year (injuries hurt him) but he's only 22!

I don't even know why this is a discussion, Jets wouldn't trade him for a late top 10 pick..especially in a draft many are calling a weak class.
- Trilla

Nobody would make that trade. Kane is a stud.

go bruce, make eklund eat his words

go bruce, make eklund eat his words
- The Truth

Huh?

Dude, are you serious right now?

Kane is a legit top 6 winger on any team..ya he was a bit inconsistent this year (injuries hurt him) but he's only 22!

I don't even know why this is a discussion, Jets wouldn't trade him for a late top 10 pick..especially in a draft many are calling a weak class.
- Trilla

Love Kane! He needs a change. Winnipeg needs a break from his act. He is a risk. But there is great potential and if a team can turn his head around they will have a very good, young power forward.

So, Ottawa offers Spezza, Stone and Wiercioche for Kane.

kane has 99 goals 324 games kessel has 222 goals in 586 so ya kessel is better
- jake24242

so one has 0.31 gpg and isn't worth the 8th overall pick

the other has 0.37 gpg and is a steal for only the 2nd overall, 9th overall, and 32nd overall.

Like how that guy thought he knew what he was talking about.
- jake24242

at least i pretend, you make it VERY CLEAR that you don't have a (frank)ing clue what you're talking about.

Lets get real here, with the 8th pick of an NHL draft you're just hoping that you get a player of Kane's caliber so trading the pick for the sure thing(while he's still really young) is a no-brainer to anyone with any sort of common sense IMO.

Here's your 8th overall all-star lineup since 2000:
2000: Nikita Alexeev(the fuk is that?)
2001: Pascal Leclaire(lol)
2002: P.M. Bouchard(ha)
2003: Brayden Coburn(ask Flyers fan if they'd trade him for Kane)
2004: Alexandre Picard(lulz)
2005: Devin Setoguchi(if only he could play with Thornton every year)
2006: Peter Mueller(meh, even if he could of stayed healthy)
2007: Zach Hamil(the Canucks AHL team cut him this season)
2008: Mikkel Boedker(ask the 3 Yotes fans if they'd trade him for Kane)
2009: Scott Glennie(still young, but come on)
2010: Alex Burmistrov(KHL all-star yo)
2011: Sean Couturier(woot! finally someone good!)



If I was an NHL GM I'd always be looking to package picks to trade up, the draft is a crapshoot after the top tier of prospects in most years.
- Nucker101

WOW look at all those superstars at #8............and most of those were in stronger drafts than this year.

sure glad that jake guy knows what he's talking about.

Lets get real here, with the 8th pick of an NHL draft you're just hoping that you get a player of Kane's caliber so trading the pick for the sure thing(while he's still really young) is a no-brainer to anyone with any sort of common sense IMO.

Here's your 8th overall all-star lineup since 2000:
2000: Nikita Alexeev(the fuk is that?)
2001: Pascal Leclaire(lol)
2002: P.M. Bouchard(ha)
2003: Brayden Coburn(ask Flyers fan if they'd trade him for Kane)
2004: Alexandre Picard(lulz)
2005: Devin Setoguchi(if only he could play with Thornton every year)
2006: Peter Mueller(meh, even if he could of stayed healthy)
2007: Zach Hamil(the Canucks AHL team cut him this season)
2008: Mikkel Boedker(ask the 3 Yotes fans if they'd trade him for Kane)
2009: Scott Glennie(still young, but come on)
2010: Alex Burmistrov(KHL all-star yo)
2011: Sean Couturier(woot! finally someone good!)



If I was an NHL GM I'd always be looking to package picks to trade up, the draft is a crapshoot after the top tier of prospects in most years.
- Nucker101

Invalid arqument. Look at players avalible at 8th overall pick and you find pretty many gems. That just proves that some teams are bad at drafting and developing.

Invalid arqument. Look at players avalible at 8th overall pick and you find pretty many gems. That just proves that some teams are bad at drafting and developing.
- Cloud

it's not an invalid argument. the guys picked are usually teh guys most teams have pegged to go in or around that spot...........which is exactly what will happen this year.

you can't say "oh, weber was picked in the 2nd rd or whatever, so he could have been had at 8th".........that argument is invalid. it would imply that ALL teams are bad at drafting, because they all had these "gems" ranked lower than 8th.

it's not an invalid argument. the guys picked are usually teh guys most teams have pegged to go in or around that spot...........which is exactly what will happen this year.

you can't say "oh, weber was picked in the 2nd rd or whatever, so he could have been had at 8th".........that argument is invalid. it would imply that ALL teams are bad at drafting, because they all had these "gems" ranked lower than 8th.
- sensarmy_11

Well then lets take a look at 9th overall picks last 10 years

Bo Horvat C London (OHL) Vancouver Canucks
2012 Jacob Trouba D USA U-18 Winnipeg Jets
2011 Dougie Hamilton D Niagara (OHL) Boston Bruins
2010 Michael Granlund LW HIFK (Fin.) Minnesota Wild
2009 Jared Cowen D Spokane (WHL) Ottawa Senators
2008 Joshua Bailey C Windsor (OHL) New York Islanders
2007 Logan Couture F Ottawa (OHL) San Jose Sharks
2006 James Sheppard LW Cape Breton (QMJHL) Minnesota Wild
2005 Brian Lee D Lincoln Stars (USHL) Ottawa Senators
2004 Ladislav Smid D Liberec Bili Tygri HC (Czech) Anaheim Ducks
2003 Dion Phaneuf

10th picks last 10 years

3 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars
2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn

The fact is, you can get a quality player at 8th. Just because the last 10 years has not developed much quality, you find alot of regular NHLers being drafted at 10-20 every year.

Well then lets take a look at 9th overall picks last 10 years

Bo Horvat C London (OHL) Vancouver Canucks
2012 Jacob Trouba D USA U-18 Winnipeg Jets
2011 Dougie Hamilton D Niagara (OHL) Boston Bruins
2010 Michael Granlund LW HIFK (Fin.) Minnesota Wild
2009 Jared Cowen D Spokane (WHL) Ottawa Senators
2008 Joshua Bailey C Windsor (OHL) New York Islanders
2007 Logan Couture F Ottawa (OHL) San Jose Sharks
2006 James Sheppard LW Cape Breton (QMJHL) Minnesota Wild
2005 Brian Lee D Lincoln Stars (USHL) Ottawa Senators
2004 Ladislav Smid D Liberec Bili Tygri HC (Czech) Anaheim Ducks
2003 Dion Phaneuf

10th picks last 10 years

3 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars
2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn

The fact is, you can get a quality player at 8th. Just because the last 10 years has not developed much quality, you find alot of regular NHLers being drafted at 10-20 every year.
- Cloud

obviously you can get a quality player at 8, nobody suggested that you can't. the point was that it's not a guarantee. once you get past, what the top 3-5 picks, it's usually a crapshoot.

soooo, if you can trade the 8th overall pick for a 22 year old, who's already a star, then it's a no-brainer, because there is a very good chance that the player you're taking at 8 won't be as good.......or good at all for that matter.

obviously you can get a quality player at 8, nobody suggested that you can't. the point was that it's not a guarantee. once you get past, what the top 3-5 picks, it's usually a crapshoot.

soooo, if you can trade the 8th overall pick for a 22 year old, who's already a star, then it's a no-brainer, because there is a very good chance that the player you're taking at 8 won't be as good.......or good at all for that matter.
- sensarmy_11

Sure looked like it. Im not saying that 8th overall is fair value for Kane, because its not. A 8th overall has a certain value, and that value depends on what player the aquiring team wants (If a team trades for a high pick they sure know which player they are going after).

So, a 8th overall doesnt have a exact value. It depends on the prospect thats avalible. And THAT reflects on how good a team is at scouting and developing. But saying "a 8th overall isnt worth much, only 20% breaks the 50p mark" is not correct.

Sure looked like it. Im not saying that 8th overall is fair value for Kane, because its not. A 8th overall has a certain value, and that value depends on what player the aquiring team wants (If a team trades for a high pick they sure know which player they are going after).

So, a 8th overall doesnt have a exact value. It depends on the prospect thats avalible. And THAT reflects on how good a team is at scouting and developing. But saying "a 8th overall isnt worth much, only 20% breaks the 50p mark" is not correct.
- Cloud

did somebody actually say that? I missed that, and agree with you there.

the point we were trying to make was to that window licking leaf fan, who seemed to think that his teams 8th pick was worth more than evander kane.....NOT that the 8th overall pick has no value.

did somebody actually say that? I missed that, and agree with you there.

the point we were trying to make was to that window licking leaf fan, who seemed to think that his teams 8th pick was worth more than evander kane.....NOT that the 8th overall pick has no value.
- sensarmy_11

holy sh*t, who wouldn't trade #8 for kane

holy sh*t, who wouldn't trade #8 for kane
- Flyfreaky

for starters....winnipeg sure as (frank) wouldn't do it


but we're referring to jake24242.....apparantely kane is lazy and inconsistent, and isn't worth the 8th straight up, according to him.

just read back a couple of pages.

for starters....winnipeg sure as (frank) wouldn't do it


but we're referring to jake24242.....apparantely kane is lazy and inconsistent, and isn't worth the 8th straight up, according to him.

just read back a couple of pages.
- sensarmy_11

damn, that's messed up and i agree it would take a little more than #8 to get kane

damn, that's messed up and i agree it would take a little more than #8 to get kane
- Flyfreaky

I would say 8th and Dion is fair value. Maybe a 3rd with Kane.

I would say 8th and Dion is fair value. Maybe a 3rd with Kane.
- Cloud

i don't think they'd want dion. they have tons of guys on defense (buff, enstrom, bogo, trouba, etc).

to move kane, they have to have a top six forward coming back, IMO.

i think kane for kadri and the #8 is close.......still not sure winnipeg does it unless the leafs add something else.

i don't think they'd want dion. they have tons of guys on defense (buff, enstrom, bogo, trouba, etc).

to move kane, they have to have a top six forward coming back, IMO.

i think kane for kadri and the #8 is close.......still not sure winnipeg does it unless the leafs add something else.
- sensarmy_11

Hm, I would say Lupul and 8th is more likely. Kadri is the same age as Kane and had 50p this year and was a 1PPG last. Dont think Leafs would part with him. But how about

1st
Kadri
Phaneuf

for

Kane
Enstrom
3rd

Hm, I would say Lupul and 8th is more likely. Kadri is the same age as Kane and had 50p this year and was a 1PPG last. Dont think Leafs would part with him. But how about

1st
Kadri
Phaneuf

for

Kane
Enstrom
3rd
- Cloud

i'd probably do that if i was wpg. not sure the leafs would want enstrom though....their defense is already terrible; replacing phaneuf with enstrom would make it historically easy to play against. there would literally be nobody (other than maybe gunnarsson) who was capable of playing in their own end.

Lets get real here, with the 8th pick of an NHL draft you're just hoping that you get a player of Kane's caliber so trading the pick for the sure thing(while he's still really young) is a no-brainer to anyone with any sort of common sense IMO.

Here's your 8th overall all-star lineup since 2000:
2000: Nikita Alexeev(the fuk is that?)
2001: Pascal Leclaire(lol)
2002: P.M. Bouchard(ha)
2003: Brayden Coburn(ask Flyers fan if they'd trade him for Kane)
2004: Alexandre Picard(lulz)
2005: Devin Setoguchi(if only he could play with Thornton every year)
2006: Peter Mueller(meh, even if he could of stayed healthy)
2007: Zach Hamil(the Canucks AHL team cut him this season)
2008: Mikkel Boedker(ask the 3 Yotes fans if they'd trade him for Kane)
2009: Scott Glennie(still young, but come on)
2010: Alex Burmistrov(KHL all-star yo)
2011: Sean Couturier(woot! finally someone good!)



If I was an NHL GM I'd always be looking to package picks to trade up, the draft is a crapshoot after the top tier of prospects in most years.
- Nucker101

I like that the two best ones are on the Flyers