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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 13 @ 12:14 AM ET
Its time to let Kimmo go my friend
- Just5


leggo my kimmo
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 13 @ 12:51 AM ET
leggo my kimmo
- hammarby31

ha

I hope Timonen accepts his fate and chooses to walk away from the game (at least in the NHL). I feel like the Flyers will sign him if he doesn't.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 13 @ 12:53 AM ET
Wow just let everything go circa 1997. It's ridiculous.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 13 @ 12:54 AM ET
Wow just let everything go circa 1997. It's ridiculous.
- Pixote Andolini

I just don't see it dude. You keep beating this drum but I just don't see it
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 13 @ 12:57 AM ET
ha

I hope Timonen accepts his fate and chooses to walk away from the game (at least in the NHL). I feel like the Flyers will sign him if he doesn't.

- Pixote Andolini


I really don't want the flyers to sign him. I feel like he would struggle a lot in limited minutes. These old guys they need to see a lot of minutes to stay loose and be effective most times. I think Kimmo is like that. Unfortunately what he brings is just not good enough to log the heavy minutes anymore.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 13 @ 12:57 AM ET
Justin Williams takes an ill advised slapshot from the circle instead of setting up the offense with the goalie pulled, it goes wide, rattles around the glass, and out of the zone. Game over

Next stop: bed.

Until next time ladies and gents.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 12:57 AM ET
How good has Colorado been in recent years up until this season?
- SuperSchennBros


Colorado was coming off a playoff berth. Elliott struggled badly there, after getting traded for Craig Anderson.

I just don't see him as a starter. At best I think he gets signed by a team that's looking for a guy to split time, kind of like the Flyers were last summer, when they were not 100% sold on Mason and signed Emery to be a safety net/split time.

Still, he's one of about 6 guys I named as potential replacements for Emery. I'm more concerned with a guy being able to play if called upon than if he feels he's a back up or not.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 13 @ 12:57 AM ET
ducks win. nice.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 13 @ 12:58 AM ET
Justin Williams takes an ill advised slapshot from the circle instead of setting up the offense with the goalie pulled, it goes wide, rattles around the glass, and out of the zone. Game over

Next stop: bed.

Until next time ladies and gents.

- Giroux_Is_God


he also tried to weave through traffic and get over the line before that, which turned into a dump out. horrendous play.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 13 @ 12:59 AM ET
ha

I hope Timonen accepts his fate and chooses to walk away from the game (at least in the NHL). I feel like the Flyers will sign him if he doesn't.

- Pixote Andolini


You know they'll sign him. He's family after all
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 13 @ 1:00 AM ET
ducks win. nice.
- hammarby31


yeah but I hate that j/o perry
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 13 @ 1:18 AM ET
Colorado was coming off a playoff berth. Elliott struggled badly there, after getting traded for Craig Anderson.

I just don't see him as a starter. At best I think he gets signed by a team that's looking for a guy to split time, kind of like the Flyers were last summer, when they were not 100% sold on Mason and signed Emery to be a safety net/split time.

Still, he's one of about 6 guys I named as potential replacements for Emery. I'm more concerned with a guy being able to play if called upon than if he feels he's a back up or not.

- Jsaquella

Elliott was a deadline deal for Anderson. The Aves were already a bad team that year. The playoff birth prior was because the Aves weighted heavily on how good Anderson was. The Aves were bad after 2010 and continued to be until this season.

Brian Elliott was deserving voted into the All Star Roster for the All Star game.

A lot of good that Ryan Miller pick up did for the Blues when it mattered most.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

May 13 @ 1:56 AM ET
Elliott was a deadline deal for Anderson. The Aves were already a bad team that year. The playoff birth prior was because the Aves weighted heavily on how good Anderson was. The Aves were badafter 2010 and continued to be until this season.
- SuperSchennBros


Avs
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 13 @ 3:02 AM ET
Didn't Hextall say that sometimes you need to take 2 steps back to take 3 forward?

I think we can stop assuming that every possible move they make in the next few months will be from the perspective of getting better in 14-15.

- Tomahawk


I'm already aiming for 2016 to be stronger than 2015. Not because I hate the roster the Flyers have now -- I actually don't. It's more that I am hopeful Ghost or Hagg or Alt truly earn roster spot(s) and make the defense better, while other young players like Raffl and Laughton, even the Schenn's and Couturier, have truly broken out.

That is my hope. Not saying 2014-15 is a throwaway. Just that I think 2016 could be a stronger year.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 13 @ 3:20 AM ET
Its time to let Kimmo go my friend
- Just5


NO! He will anchor our blueline FOREVER!!!! His Soul belongs to US!!!!!!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 13 @ 7:47 AM ET
Brian Elliott? The guy who has been below league average for pretty much every team he's played on except St Louis? He's had two seasons in his NHL career when his save % was over .910.
- Jsaquella


But he didn't have grossman in front of him to block all the shots
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 13 @ 8:05 AM ET
What exactly has made us a better team since trading Carter and Richards? As it stands our playoff record prior to trading them was much better. This isn't to same I hate nor blame what we already have.

I say pair Grossmann with somebody better than Mark Streit.

- SuperSchennBros


Streit did much better in terms of goals scored and goals conceded when paired with other players.

Grossmann did much worse when he wasn't playing with Streit.

Streit was not the problem.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 13 @ 8:30 AM ET
Streit did much better in terms of goals scored and goals conceded when paired with other players.

Grossmann did much worse when he wasn't playing with Streit.

Streit was not the problem.

- Feanor


NEW......BLOB>>>>>
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 5:56 PM ET
Elliott was a deadline deal for Anderson. The Aves were already a bad team that year. The playoff birth prior was because the Aves weighted heavily on how good Anderson was. The Aves were bad after 2010 and continued to be until this season.

Brian Elliott was deserving voted into the All Star Roster for the All Star game.

A lot of good that Ryan Miller pick up did for the Blues when it mattered most.

- SuperSchennBros


The bottom line is, Elliott has had one exceptional year as a starter, along with several mediocre ones & one awful one....in other words, he's basically a mediocre starter or back up

The Ryan Miller addition has nothing to do with it. The Blues obviously felt that neither Elliott or Halak could carry the load in the playoffs. Unfortunately for them, neither could Miller. How that means Elliott is a good or bona fide starter somehow escapes me.
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