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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
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May 12 @ 8:57 PM ET
let me in on this yo
- Giroux_Is_God


Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:00 PM ET

- hammarby31

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 12 @ 9:00 PM ET
For the night crowd

Game 7 between Edmonton and Portland will be available for free online.

http://www.WHL.ca/

Flyers prospect Taylor Leier plays for Portland.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 12 @ 9:03 PM ET
Markov with a gorgeous hip check on Lucic.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:04 PM ET
Markov with a gorgeous hip check on Lucic.
- Pixote Andolini

Yeah that was nice
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:08 PM ET
I have no idea why Rask doesn't come out and play that but whatever yo
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
Rask should have controlled that rebound there. He's really (frank)in up tonight
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
For the night crowd

Game 7 between Edmonton and Portland will be available for free online.

http://www.WHL.ca/

Flyers prospect Taylor Leier plays for Portland.

- ob18

*captains Portland

Sounds much better
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:22 PM ET
"Yooj"

Really Milbury? Cmon that's not how you say huge.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 12 @ 9:31 PM ET

- hammarby31

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 12 @ 9:38 PM ET
Brian Elliott, Thomas Griess, Jonas Gustavsson, JS Giguere, Al Montoya, Chad Johnson are all UFA this summer. All of whom had better numbers than Emery.

Grossmann is limited. He is bad at transition, when he is on the ice, the Flyers are generally bad at getting out of their own end. A guy like Mark Fayne or Zach Redmond(as discussed on yesterday's blog) will be better in that regard and possibly cost less against the cap.

- Jsaquella

The Grossmann side of this post is simply unfair to place on the shoulders of one player.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 12 @ 9:39 PM ET
The more I think about it Hartnell is like the opposite of LeClair.
LeClair almost never fell down let alone was knocked down or pushed down from opposing player checks.

It's great that Hartnell embraced the criticism of his skating/balance issues and gives to charity but can you imagine if Hartnell was tough to knock down? How many plays or missed opportunities have we watched with a sliding/fallen/falling Hartnell helplessly out of the play?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.23.2007

May 12 @ 9:43 PM ET
Anyone watching the Broons/Habs?
Haha the officiating is comedy.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:43 PM ET
Anyone watching the Broons/Habs?
Haha the officiating is comedy.

- Pixote Andolini

Present
SuperSchennBros
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May 12 @ 9:43 PM ET
Ignoring even the most basic of stats is plain embarrassing.
- Feanor


Embarrassing to whom?

So do those guys. All of them have been in the league for a few years and know their jobs....and played better than Emery
- Jsaquella


Do you two think Brian Elliott feels he's just another back up?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.23.2007

May 12 @ 9:44 PM ET
LOL what the hell was that Subban?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

May 12 @ 9:45 PM ET
The Grossmann side of this post is simply unfair to place on the shoulders of one player.
- SuperSchennBros


No, it's not. He's bad at transition. His possession numbers are bad, and the numbers of everyone he plays with are worse when they are with him than without him.

Granted it's not all him, but it's a pretty bad trend. He's not good with the puck at all, he's not a good or fast skater and he's a limited player.

I don't deny that he's a warrior and tough as nails and plays through injuries that would sideline a lot of others. But he's a limited player. I want guys who are not limited to being physical and blocking shots.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 12 @ 9:48 PM ET
No, it's not. He's bad at transition. His possession numbers are bad, and the numbers of everyone he plays with are worse when they are with him than without him.

Granted it's not all him, but it's a pretty bad trend. He's not good with the puck at all, he's not a good or fast skater and he's a limited player.

I don't deny that he's a warrior and tough as nails and plays through injuries that would sideline a lot of others. But he's a limited player. I want guys who are not limited to being physical and blocking shots.

- Jsaquella



Puck possession ends with grossmann
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:48 PM ET
Embarrassing to whom?



Do you two think Brian Elliott feels he's just another back up?

- SuperSchennBros


Considering he's been a back up the last two seasons, and his team just traded a mountain of assets at the TDL for a goalie...yeah, probably.
SuperSchennBros
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May 12 @ 9:48 PM ET
No, it's not. He's bad at transition. His possession numbers are bad, and the numbers of everyone he plays with are worse when they are with him than without him.

Granted it's not all him, but it's a pretty bad trend. He's not good with the puck at all, he's not a good or fast skater and he's a limited player.

I don't deny that he's a warrior and tough as nails and plays through injuries that would sideline a lot of others. But he's a limited player. I want guys who are not limited to being physical and blocking shots.

- Jsaquella

What player is perfect? What physical tools he brings to the table I really like.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 12 @ 9:50 PM ET
No, it's not. He's bad at transition. His possession numbers are bad, and the numbers of everyone he plays with are worse when they are with him than without him.

Granted it's not all him, but it's a pretty bad trend. He's not good with the puck at all, he's not a good or fast skater and he's a limited player.

I don't deny that he's a warrior and tough as nails and plays through injuries that would sideline a lot of others. But he's a limited player. I want guys who are not limited to being physical and blocking shots.

- Jsaquella


I'm ready for the Flyers and Grossmann to part ways. Add Timonen to that list as well.
SuperSchennBros
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May 12 @ 9:52 PM ET
Considering he's been a back up the last two seasons, and his team just traded a mountain of assets at the TDL for a goalie...yeah, probably.
- Jsaquella

His team noticed an opening to grab a player who's been considered one of the better goaltenders in the league, it's kind of a no-brainer but it also doesn't make Elliott an automatic back up. He's done pretty great things that the NHL level.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:52 PM ET
What player is perfect? What physical tools he brings to the table I really like.
- SuperSchennBros


It's not about perfect, it's about icing a better team.

Grossmann gets killed in terms of possession. His physicality is nice, but I'd rather have somebody who can skate and hit. If I have to have a limited player, I'd rather it be one not eating $3.5mm in cap space.
SuperSchennBros
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May 12 @ 9:54 PM ET
It's not about perfect, it's about icing a better team.

Grossmann gets killed in terms of possession. His physicality is nice, but I'd rather have somebody who can skate and hit. If I have to have a limited player, I'd rather it be one not eating $3.5mm in cap space.

- Jsaquella

What exactly has made us a better team since trading Carter and Richards? As it stands our playoff record prior to trading them was much better. This isn't to same I hate nor blame what we already have.

I say pair Grossmann with somebody better than Mark Streit.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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May 12 @ 9:54 PM ET
His team noticed an opening to grab a player who's been considered one of the better goaltenders in the league, it's kind of a no-brainer but it also doesn't make Elliott an automatic back up. He's done pretty great things that the NHL level.
- SuperSchennBros


Brian Elliott? The guy who has been below league average for pretty much every team he's played on except St Louis? He's had two seasons in his NHL career when his save % was over .910.
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