Yeah, Weber COULD he had...if you're cool with moving either Giroux+ or a package containing Voracek, Couturier, Coburn, B Schenn+ to get him. They need to go after the next-level guys. Myers is the type, but not sure he's available. Washington's probably going to want some turnover, which is why I'd go after Carlson and/or Alzner.
- jmatchett383

You honestly think it would take Voracek, Couts, Coburn, AND Schenn to get Weber!?!?

That's insane lol, I don't think it would take nearly all of that. No disrespect at all, I just think that would be massively over-paying.

How about:

Read, both Schenn's, a 1st, and a 2nd?

I understand that but part of being a GM is looking forward, understanding the trends of the league and the strengths and weaknesses of your team and your roster in the orgainization. I don't think the Flyers lost those deals w/the exception of the Schenn/JVR deal, I love the talent they got back. Just wished it was a different mix.
- flyguy12

Well, Homer didn't have the hindsight of Pronger having his career end prematurely and Mez having 45 surgeries in 1 calendar year.

He's tried to fix the defense. He made a bad trade (so far) for Luke Schenn.

I just find it amazing that the same people who clamor for the Schenns to be moved are the same people who cry about JVR being great now.

Brayden Schenn is not bringing back a very good, young defenseman. He's bringing back a veteran defenseman (Ehrhoff) or an inconsistent defenseman with upside (Myers). He's not bringing back a guy like Trouba or Ryan Murray or one of these other young studs.

To be fair, the Flyers have tried to acquire a #1 guy in other ways. Shea Weber off sheet, wooing of Hamhuis and Ryan Suter...just couldn't get it done.

I think they understand the need, just tough to acquire.
- bradleyc4

But bottom line is they failed. Obviously they put their eggs in one basket w/Weber. Clearly I'm not pary of negotiations but disappointed there wasn't one dman in any of those deals... It is what it is, hindsight is 20/20...

I agree though w/org, I think they get it now, and by the time the org has completely adjusted the league will be something different. Pays to be ahead of the curve.

You honestly think it would take Voracek, Couts, Coburn, AND Schenn to get Weber!?!?

That's insane lol, I don't think it would take nearly all of that. No disrespect at all, I just think that would be massively over-paying.

How about:

Read, both Schenn's, a 1st, and a 2nd?
- Flyers_V88

Thats not even close.

You honestly think it would take Voracek, Couts, Coburn, AND Schenn to get Weber!?!?

That's insane lol, I don't think it would take nearly all of that. No disrespect at all, I just think that would be massively over-paying.

How about:

Read, both Schenn's, a 1st, and a 2nd?
- Flyers_V88

I think Nashville laughs and hangs up the phone.

Remember they just paid him $26M to play a season and a half. Unless they get a ridiculous overpayment, they'll want more return on him. That, plus he's the face of the franchise (no respect to Mr. Underwood), and he's not going anywhere short or a ludicrous package.

Also, I don't think it takes Voracek, Schenn, Coots, and Coburn. I think that's where you open discussions, and add from there.

Well, Homer didn't have the hindsight of Pronger having his career prematurely and Mez having 45 surgeries in 1 calendar year.

He's tried to fix the defense. He made a bad trade (so far) for Luke Schenn.

I just find it amazing that the same people who clamor for the Schenns to be moved are the same people who cry about JVR being great now.

Brayden Schenn is not bringing back a very good, young defenseman. He's bringing back a veteran defenseman (Ehrhoff) or an inconsistent defenseman with upside (Myers). He's not bringing back a guy like Trouba or Ryan Murray or one of these other young studs.
- PhillySportsGuy

Pronger was definitely a freak accident but he was 35 yrs old when it happened... still have to plan for the future. If Flyers were impatient w/JVR, don't they have to be more patient w/Schenn?

I think he's a logical choice because he's a young power forward who's barely scratching the surface. The Flyers have an excess of power forwards, and he'd bring the most in return.
- bradleyc4

See, I don't think he is a power forward. In fact, I'm not sure what kind of player he is. He seems to be a tweener in almost every category.

Sure he can be physical, but he is not big enough for me to consider him a true PF. He isn't really that fast or that great a skater, so I really don't see him as a sniper. He is OK in his own zone but I really wouldn't say he is a good defensive player. He is a decent passer but I wouldn't call him a playmaker.

He just seems to do lots of things good but nothing great.

I'm perfectly OK with dealing him for the right return. I don't think anyone is advocating we give him away.

Pronger was definitely a freak accident but he was 35 yrs old when it happened... still have to plan for the future. If Flyers were impatient w/JVR, don't they have to be more patient w/Schenn?
- flyguy12

The JVR trade was the wrong trade at the wrong time. They had just beat Pittsburgh and were an offensive dynamo largely without the services of JVR, who was injured most of the year. They thought they could get by without him, and were wrong.

cap hit is 4.5. Your right they can and Tomahawk broke it down the other day. I believe its something like 3.5 mil of dead money on the cap in 15-16 and 16-17 if they bought him out this summer.

They will probably have to do it. I mean if that guy wasnt injured, you have to do it
- Just5

Haven't the Flyers exhausted both of their compliance buyouts already on Bryz and Briere? Only hope of getting Vinny's salary off the books is a miracle trade or stashing him on the LTIR for the remainder of his contract.

Haven't the Flyers exhausted both of their compliance buyouts already on Bryz and Briere? Only hope of getting Vinny's salary off the books is a miracle trade or stashing him on the LTIR for the remainder of his contract.
- 13kdub13

No one said a CBO, they said a buyout.

I think teams are going to be asking for Simmonds to be honest. He has that combination of speed, grit, and fighting ability that most teams really want.
- FlyersGrace

I'd sell high on Simmonds in the right deal.

I'd sell high on Simmonds in the right deal.
- bradleyc4

Agreed, and I love Simmonds. Flyers need better asset management. Better balance.

I'd sell high on Simmonds in the right deal.
- bradleyc4

I don't think Simmonds is going to put up these same numbers consistently, but I see him being above 20 goals every year if he remains on the top PP.

I would trade anyone in the right deal.

I'd sell high on Simmonds in the right deal.
- bradleyc4

To me, he's the 3rd most "untouchable" on the team after Giroux and Couturier. Unless you are getting a #1 elite defenseman (and I mean a Doughty/Pietrangelo/Weber/Suter type), I wouldn't move him. So, yeah, it would take a monster deal to get him.

See, I don't think he is a power forward. In fact, I'm not sure what kind of player he is. He seems to be a tweener in almost every category.

Sure he can be physical, but he is not big enough for me to consider him a true PF. He isn't really that fast or that great a skater, so I really don't see him as a sniper. He is OK in his own zone but I really wouldn't say he is a good defensive player. He is a decent passer but I wouldn't call him a playmaker.

He just seems to do lots of things good but nothing great.

I'm perfectly OK with dealing him for the right return. I don't think anyone is advocating we give him away.
- MBFlyerfan

I think it's part of the maturation process of the player. I think he has to learn that he'll get better results by parking himself in front of the net and getting deflections, rebounds and causing disturbances in front of the goalie.

I don't think Simmonds is going to put up these same numbers, but I see him being above 20 goals every year if he remains on the top PP.

I would trade anyone in the right deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep. Heck, anyone in the NHL besides Crosby and Stamkos can be had for the right deal.

To me, he's the 3rd most "untouchable" on the team after Giroux and Couturier. Unless you are getting a #1 elite defenseman (and I mean a Doughty/Pietrangelo/Weber/Suter type), I wouldn't move him. So, yeah, it would take a monster deal to get him.
- jmatchett383

What about SImmonds for Maata?

To me, he's the 3rd most "untouchable" on the team after Giroux and Couturier. Unless you are getting a #1 elite defenseman (and I mean a Doughty/Pietrangelo/Weber/Suter type), I wouldn't move him. So, yeah, it would take a monster deal to get him.
- jmatchett383

His value is on the PP. He's not a great even-strength player. So while he's a very good asset to have, he's not in the same caliber of player as Giroux or Voracek, imo.

What about SImmonds for Maata?
- PhillySportsGuy

Nope...and you know how I feel about Maata. Not to mention there is a 0-0% chance of Philly and Pittsburgh trading significant assets.

I'd sell high on Simmonds in the right deal.
- bradleyc4

Three straight almost 30 goal seasons in a row?? The guy is only going to get better. Whatever you trade Simmonds for you are selling low on him right now.

I think Nashville laughs and hangs up the phone.

Remember they just paid him $26M to play a season and a half. Unless they get a ridiculous overpayment, they'll want more return on him. That, plus he's the face of the franchise (no respect to Mr. Underwood), and he's not going anywhere short or a ludicrous package.

Also, I don't think it takes Voracek, Schenn, Coots, and Coburn. I think that's where you open discussions, and add from there.
- jmatchett383

Offering Voracek, Schenn, Coots, and Coburn would be insane, literally. I think that is way too much. Remember, Nashville only wanted Schenn and Couts as the major parts of a deal for Weber... Do people forget this? That's why I don't think it will be an insane trade if someone was to land Weber, it'll cost a lot, but what is being discussed above is literally insane. Just my opinion though.

I think it's part of the maturation process of the player. I think he has to learn that he'll get better results by parking himself in front of the net and getting deflections, rebounds and causing disturbances in front of the goalie.
- bradleyc4

Maybe, but I don't see him as that kind of player. I think part of MY problem is that I am still not sure what kind of player he is.

Nope...and you know how I feel about Maata. Not to mention there is a 0-0% chance of Philly and Pittsburgh trading significant assets.
- jmatchett383

What about SImmonds for Hampus Lindholm

What about SImmonds for Maata?
- PhillySportsGuy

Not a chance in hell. Simmonds will be more valuable than Maate, almost guaranteed.

Maybe, but I don't see him as that kind of player. I think part of MY problem is that I am still not sure what kind of player he is.
- MBFlyerfan

And what I'm saying is that maybe Brayden isn't so sure yet either.