With all due respect to the rest of the team, without Giroux, we'd be talking lottery pick. Or complaining about Frick n Frack because Homer wouldn't have been able to trade them.
- Tomahawk

I don't even want to think about it, TBH. Goals...would be hard to come by, I have a feeling.

I don't even want to think about it, TBH. Goals...would be hard to come by, I have a feeling.
- AllInForFlyers

So, basically, he's as valuable to us as Ryan Johanssen was to Columbus.
It's a very tricky definition.

Heck, I'd argue that the Flyers most valuable player was Mason, not Giroux.

With all due respect to the rest of the team, without Giroux, we'd be talking lottery pick. Or complaining about Frick n Frack because Homer wouldn't have been able to trade them.
- Tomahawk

scary

With all due respect to the rest of the team, without Giroux, we'd be talking lottery pick. Or complaining about Frick n Frack because Homer wouldn't have been able to trade them.
- Tomahawk

We also wouldn't have been able to sign Bryz, so........

So, basically, he's as valuable to us as Ryan Johanssen was to Columbus.
- jmatchett383

I...think it'd be worse than that. While I think Johansen's load is ridiculous, especially at his age...the Blue Jackets could at least pretend, because of their defense's ability to generate offense, that they could move the puck and score a few goals, get a few from the point on the PP.

With our defense...well, that's not exactly an option.

I think, without Giroux...we'd have scored like Buffalo. Maybe worse.

So, basically, he's as valuable to us as Ryan Johanssen was to Columbus.
It's a very tricky definition.

Heck, I'd argue that the Flyers most valuable player was Mason, not Giroux.
- jmatchett383

Not sure if that's even arguable. I'd give it to Mason easily.

We also wouldn't have been able to sign Bryz, so........
- jmatchett383

I...think it'd be worse than that. While I think Johansen's load is ridiculous, especially at his age...the Blue Jackets could at least pretend, because of their defense's ability to generate offense, that they could move the puck and score a few goals, get a few from the point on the PP.

With our defense...well, that's not exactly an option.

I think, without Giroux...we'd have scored like Buffalo. Maybe worse.
- AllInForFlyers

I....don't know...if I...agree...with all...of that...stuff.

Without Giroux, we probably score at a Minnesota or Phoenix rate.

So, our only 2 options are Erik Karlsson and Duncan Keith?
- jmatchett383

Gostisbehre is a flyer for the majority of next year. You don't keep a Ferrari garaged all winter

You're only looking at things from the logical perspective though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Just because you agree doesn't make it logical. I'm sure you struggle to grasp that logically however.

saw the first 2 cups and after 39 years it still hurts...can someone please tape Snider making racial slurs
- vejim

Me too. Little did we know it would be a lifetime of waiting. Hat trick in '76?

I....don't know...if I...agree...with all...of that...stuff.

Without Giroux, we probably score at a Minnesota or Phoenix rate.
- jmatchett383

Hey, it's the internet; we can agree to disagree.

We're all guilty of making hasty calls on guys.

I was wrong about Streit as a player in year-1 of the deal, and hopefully I'll continue to be wrong in years 2-4 as well, because for better or worse, they're going to be leaning on him pretty hard for awhile.
- Tomahawk

Honorable post

After watching the game last night, I was very disappointed in the play of Couturier. His lack of effort created both goals last night. He had an opportunity to clear the zone on both plays and his lazy effort put them in trouble. I understand his value but to not have one single point in a seven game series playing over 18 mins a night and to come out with that effort in a game 7 was not good. I know some will say he did a good job because Nash did not score but really Nash had many scoring chances Mason was just better. I would not be adverse to trading him this off season if we could bring in a number one or two defenseman. I will say it again as well Hartnell has to go, what he brought to this series was embarrasing, constant turnovers and take away the hit he laid on Pouliot last night was virtually invisible.

Gostisbehre is a flyer for the majority of next year. You don't keep a Ferrari garaged all winter
- Just5

You do if it's only 25% of the way through the assembly line.

Gostisbehre is a flyer for the majority of next year. You don't keep a Ferrari garaged all winter
- Just5

Good idea, let's rush a kid with no pro experience and throw him into the NHL without any minor league time. Never mind the fact that he has holes that will get exploited at the NHL level.

Dude needs AT LEAST 1/2 year in the NHL.

You do if it's only 25% of the way through the assembly line.
- Tomahawk

Exactly. He's still fairly raw, to be honest.

Kadri and Stepan both had 18G/25A/44P
Schenn had 20G/21A/41P

Not a big difference. And, since they were playing first line, I'd argue Schenn's numbers are more impressive since he was on the second line (less talented players to play with).
- jmatchett383

44 points in Toronto is impressive

Just because you agree doesn't make it logical. I'm sure you struggle to grasp that logically however.
- Flyersgod

We hate you

After watching the game last night, I was very disappointed in the play of Couturier. His lack of effort created both goals last night. He had an opportunity to clear the zone on both plays and his lazy effort put them in trouble. I understand his value but to not have one single point in a seven game series playing over 18 mins a night and to come out with that effort in a game 7 was not good. I know some will say he did a good job because Nash did not score but really Nash had many scoring chances Mason was just better. I would not be adverse to trading him this off season if we could bring in a number one or two defenseman. I will say it again as well Hartnell has to go, what he brought to this series was embarrasing, constant turnovers and take away the hit he laid on Pouliot last night was virtually invisible.
- Daceroni

Just....wow.

Better be hearing back surgery for Lecavalier or else we are (frank)ed for the long run...yet again, with that contract.

Holmgren went 1 for 2 over the summer as I thought Streit was our most consistent Dman throughout the year. Thought he had a very very good series.
- Just5

Correct me if im wrong but we're (frank)ed either way with him.

After watching the game last night, I was very disappointed in the play of Couturier. His lack of effort created both goals last night. He had an opportunity to clear the zone on both plays and his lazy effort put them in trouble. I understand his value but to not have one single point in a seven game series playing over 18 mins a night and to come out with that effort in a game 7 was not good. I know some will say he did a good job because Nash did not score but really Nash had many scoring chances Mason was just better. I would not be adverse to trading him this off season if we could bring in a number one or two defenseman. I will say it again as well Hartnell has to go, what he brought to this series was embarrasing, constant turnovers and take away the hit he laid on Pouliot last night was virtually invisible.
- Daceroni

21 years old. You are... wow.

You do if it's only 25% of the way through the assembly line.
- Tomahawk

Flyers have him penned in the lineup come the new year.

We hate you
- PhillySportsGuy

When you look at the facts, you'll see that I'm right. CORSI is an indicator, but it really not useful, and it's wrong to think otherwise. I judge based on production and the eye test, and that's right, and that's all that matters. Clearly, you are wrong.

(frank)ing rosehill

Flyers have him penned in the lineup come the new year.
- Just5

Never mind, I thought you were serious at first. Didn't realize you were trolling for hits just to stir up trouble.