Don't disagree, but Rick Nash is no effing joke in the offensive zone. Taking the puck off,him isn't an easy thing to,do
- AllInForFlyers

nash wit hthe puck was pretty good this series. however, his decisions on what to do WITH the puck were questionable to me. i hope he keeps it up, as scuderi is even easier to bullrush than coburn.

I like Coburn. But lets be honest here. He's been here for a long, long time. He's also turning 30 next season.
- Flyersgod

As long as he keeps his speed I'm happy with him. Until our youth grows up a bit, I worry about the shutdown ability of our defense if we subtract Timonen, Grossmann, and Coburn.

They took this 7 games in spite of all that. Not because of all that. Mason stole 1 game cleanly. Held the Flyers in game 6 while they tried to locate their game. Emery held them in Game 2.

They went 7 games, but they didn't deserve to make it to game 5.
- Flyersgod

The clearly did, because that's where it ended up. The Rangers didn't deserve to win it in 5 games, because they didn't have the killer instinct. I don't care who steals what game. It's all a part of the series and battle that ensues.

The Rangers matched up extremely well against the Flyers, as has been evident for the past few years. They have our number and we don't have theirs. In spite of "that", they still went 7 games and lost by 1 goal. Had we drawn Pitt in Round 1, it could've been a different story. Either way, the Flyers didn't do what they needed to win. I don't think it calls for blowing up the team regardless.

I like Coburn. But lets be honest here. He's been here for a long, long time. He's also turning 30 next season.
- Flyersgod

He's not good enough to be unmovable, imo. His shooting ability alone is laughable, since he can't hit the net from even 3 feet away from the net.

But we're a "what have you done for me lately" fanbase.

There's no time for growth
- fecondo

They better make time; if they do,it right, this is a 100-point team next year

They start throwing everybody overboard who got them to 94 points in search of a move,that requires an overpay, you are doing nothing more than exposing yourself needlessly with no assurances, no guarantees at all, that it will work

im not one to condemn giroux for this series. and you cant simply equate goals with leadership. but thats not exactly relevant.
- stayinthefnnet

Which was the point I was trying to make, albeit I was doing a terrible job at it. (Again I blame the alcohol )

Schenn will get a similar deal as Coots if he isnt traded.
- MBFlyerfan

B Schenn wont be back on this team book it, I get the feeling the organ-eye-zation is over him. Somebody said it with JVR you could see flashes of talent high end talent....B Schenn doesnt inspire anything special, he's a good player but there doesnt seem to be a big ceiling with him.

Schenn will get a similar deal as Coots if he isnt traded.
- MBFlyerfan

I think if that was something Schenn wanted, it would have been done already.

I can't debate Schenn though, because i want him gone. Can't wait for him to be gone. I feel that he isn't going to develop into what we wanted him to be.

Roll the dice and try to strike gold with someone else.

As long as he keeps his speed I'm happy with him. Until our youth grows up a bit, I worry about the shutdown ability of our defense if we subtract Timonen, Grossmann, and Coburn.
- JAKEw1234

Timmonen isn't shutting down anyone, and hasn't for a couple seasons now.
Grossmann is injury-prone at this point, and can't be relied on.

Gross/Schenn/Coburn all with 2 more years left. I don't understand what you're even saying. All three get traded?

Ghost might make his way up if they trade Gross. Otherwise, he's in the AHL all year.
- steelydan

Holmgren called him their ferrari. I dont care what anyone says, he's tickled pink, and he's a flyer next year.

They better make time; if they do,it right, this is a 100-point team next year

They start throwing everybody overboard who got them to 94 points in search of a move,that requires an overpay, you are doing nothing more than exposing yourself needlessly with no assurances, no guarantees at all, that it will work
- AllInForFlyers

All those guys have another top player on their team that takes pressure off the other. Voracek is nice, but you're talking about Thornton/Marleau, Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Kane, Benn/Seguin, etc... Jake would be the weakest link there.
- eayost

Exactly. That's why all the Giroux haters need to back off. If he was just a 2nd line player behind Richards and Carter then he should have turned into a pumpkin after they left. Instead, the opposite took place.

well now what.... go eagles?

The clearly did, because that's where it ended up. The Rangers didn't deserve to win it in 5 games, because they didn't have the killer instinct. I don't care who steals what game. It's all a part of the series and battle that ensues.

The Rangers matched up extremely well against the Flyers, as has been evident for the past few years. They have our number and we don't have theirs. In spite of "that", they still went 7 games and lost by 1 goal. Had we drawn Pitt in Round 1, it could've been a different story. Either way, the Flyers didn't do what they needed to win. I don't think it calls for blowing up the team regardless.
- steelydan

If that's what your eyes tell you from watching the games then lets not bother fighting over it.

I saw a Flyers team who was manhandled game in and game out.

Not his fault totally, but he did come up kind of small. He scored no goals that affected any outcomes.
- MBFlyerfan

I get that, but the playoffs (at least the past couple of years) have been about the role players stepping up and scoring timely goals. Not just all about the superstars. We all know the rangers were going to focus on eliminating giroux from the gameplan. Someone, anyone else needed to step up

No I'm totally with you. I think he'd be even better with another upper echelon piece along side him, like a lot of the other top players in the NHL have. We have a passer without a real shooter. We want Giroux to do both at the same time somehow
- eayost

Okay. Wasn't calling you out specifically.

- Flyersgod

If you don't see it, that's fine...you are entitled to your own opinion

Exactly. That's why all the Giroux haters need to back off. If he was just a 2nd line player behind Richards and Carter then he should have turned into a pumpkin after they left. Instead, the opposite took place.
- rockychocbill

Giroux isn't going anywhere. He's the center piece of this team. Wouldn't hurt to get some more guys that can play with him though.

Like a LW'er who can actually play. Hartnell doesn't do much these days.

well now what.... go eagles?
- moylander

No, round 2

Exactly. That's why all the Giroux haters need to back off. If he was just a 2nd line player behind Richards and Carter then he should have turned into a pumpkin after they left. Instead, the opposite took place.
- rockychocbill

by no means is giroux a second line middling player. hes a top 10 guy in the league at his position, and a franchise cornerstone.

however, his line really isnt bad. i still think voracek would be the type who is better with his own line, as him and Giroux are both guys who are better with the puck on their sticks, but voracek is still a quality guy. most of those duos who were listed dont really play with each other besides the powerplay. most of girouxs problems even strength come from defenders who cant get him the puck. although having to drag around hartnell doesnt help either.

Timmonen isn't shutting down anyone, and hasn't for a couple seasons now.
Grossmann is injury-prone at this point, and can't be relied on.
- the deaninator

But factually, Grossmann only missed 4 games this season, Timonen missed 5, and they both take huge PK minutes and are played in a shutdown role. We factually need someone to replace them, or we will almost undoubtedly have serious problems.

Benn is a beast. But Giroux didn't back down from Crosby or Malkin. Giroux is not a wallflower. I don't know where this Giroux hate is coming from. He's come up big for this team many, many times. He's one of the elite players in this league. Flyers need a few more pieces, mainly on D, now that Mason has his mojo back.
- rockychocbill

Seriously though? The hate comes from him not coming up big *now* ... you know... when we needed him to.

If you don't see it, that's fine...you are entitled to your own opinion
- AllInForFlyers

That's all we have with regards to the Flyers. We try to use stats to reinforce our opinions but they're abused way too much.

I'll root for them to get 100 points.

i knew they were going to lose so i'm not that disappointed

B Schenn wont be back on this team book it, I get the feeling the organ-eye-zation is over him. Somebody said it with JVR you could see flashes of talent high end talent....B Schenn doesnt inspire anything special, he's a good player but there doesnt seem to be a big ceiling with him.
- flyerfan28

No...but so what if his ceiling isnt sky high? He hasnt earned anything more than 2 mil a year. So keep him as an option in the top 9 somewhere. Bc hes not going to get you much of anything in a trade, except for a young project dman.