yeah, such a massive hole. His .903 save percentage on a great defensive team, which dropped even more in the playoffs is certainly a much better option than the .930 Halak put up in a Caps jersey on a horrible defensive team..or..you know....Holtby's .915 or Grubby's .925 when they sucked the first half of the year.

This is exactly what I said a year ago, and all you Sabres fans went on about how we needed Miller. Yeah....
- Blackstrom2

Miller was bad in that series, there is no getting around that. Defense or not he let in 3-4 goals in that series that were real head scratchers that he usualy makes the save on. You cannot do that against Chicago.

Miller was bad in that series, there is no getting around that. Defense or not he let in 3-4 goals in that series that were real head scratchers that he usualy makes the save on. You cannot do that against Chicago.
- ImThatGuy

I like Miller. But the Caps do not need him.

I like Miller. But the Caps do not need him.
- Blackstrom2

No they do not. IMO they could use another top 4 d-man.

We have one available.

I like Miller. But the Caps do not need him.
- Blackstrom2

We just wanted to fleece someone... Didn't matter who.

While I agree that Ehrhoff is not worth Skinner, if I can't get someone of that caliber for him, either by himself or as part of a package where I don't give up a high draft pick as well, I'd rather the Sabres keep him. His contract is fine, and the Sabres will get more value out of services rendered than any middle of the road player they'd get in return.
- buffalofan19

i think you could get that type of player for a package including ehrhoff, but there had better be some damn good, young players/prospects included in that package.

players like stewart, stafford, leino, etc....add little to no value, or in the case of leino, negative value, to any trade they're part of. same can be said with 3rd and 4th rd picks.

if you want to start getting young impact players like skinner, the names that have to be included in a package with ehrhoff, IMO, are names like hodgson, girgensens, foligno, zadorov, etc.

it's a steep price to pay, but guys like skinner, kane, etc.....guys who are in their very early 20's, and are established NHL threats........ don't come on the market very often.

No they do not. IMO they could use another top 4 d-man.

We have one available.
- ImThatGuy

I'd want them to look at Edler before Ehroff. Edler should be cheaper, and he is younger.

David Pastrnak (notice that rn combo...that just screams sabres draft pick)

Alex Nedlejkovic and Nikita Serebryakov (can't wait to see how people here spell that if they're having trouble with Ristolainen)
- Sabresfan-365

Might see them names on Wheel of Fortune in the future.

i think you could get that type of player for a package including ehrhoff, but there had better be some damn good, young players/prospects included in that package.

players like stewart, stafford, leino, etc....add little to no value, or in the case of leino, negative value, to any trade they're part of. same can be said with 3rd and 4th rd picks.

if you want to start getting young impact players like skinner, the names that have to be included in a package with ehrhoff, IMO, are names like hodgson, girgensens, foligno, zadorov, etc.

it's a steep price to pay, but guys like skinner, kane, etc.....guys who are in their very early 20's, and are established NHL threats........ don't come on the market very often.
- sensarmy_11

If the Canes would take Ehrhoff and Foligno for Skinner, I do that in a second.

I'd want them to look at Edler before Ehroff. Edler should be cheaper, and he is younger.
- Blackstrom2

edler will be more expensive.

he had a down year........but that was much more the result of the team he played for, and having an UNBELIEVABLY low shooting %, and a terrible on-ice sv%.

he was far and away their best possession player, and IMO, is a better player then ehrhoff.

if ehrhoff fetches more then edler, then either T. Murray is a genius, the new GM in vancouver is dumb, or a combination of both.

i'd give up more for edler then i would for ehrhoff.

If the Canes would take Ehrhoff and Foligno for Skinner, I do that in a second.
- buffalofan19

probably need to add one of your firsts to that............but i still don't think the canes would take a 31 year old d-man as a return for a 21 year old sniper

probably need to add one of your firsts to that............but i still don't think the canes would take a 31 year old d-man as a return for a 21 year old sniper
- sensarmy_11

I didn't think the Sabres would get Moulson, a first and a second for Vanek.

edler will be more expensive.

he had a down year........but that was much more the result of the team he played for, and having an UNBELIEVABLY low shooting %, and a terrible on-ice sv%.

he was far and away their best possession player, and IMO, is a better player then ehrhoff.

if ehrhoff fetches more then edler, then either T. Murray is a genius, the new GM in vancouver is dumb, or a combination of both.

i'd give up more for edler then i would for ehrhoff.
- sensarmy_11

I like Edler far more than Ehrhoff, but it's hard to say. Bieksa, Hamhuis, etc..they actually were not too far behind Edler this year in terms of possession metrics. I think with his brutal year, his price has dropped. Sabres need Ehrhoff more than the Nucks need Edler, as well.

I didn't think the Sabres would get Moulson, a first and a second for Vanek.
- CaptainRivet

Unfortunately, there's only one Garth Snow in the league, and he's not in Carolina.

I didn't think the Sabres would get Moulson, a first and a second for Vanek.
- CaptainRivet

fair enough......but then again, not every trade is made the islanders, most GMs are actually competent.

I didn't think the Sabres would get Moulson, a first and a second for Vanek.
- CaptainRivet

Yeah..everyone acknowledges that was a overpayment from Snow though. It was a gamble to get him before other teams did to try to get into the playoffs. Worst back fire.

I like Edler far more than Ehrhoff, but it's hard to say. Bieksa, Hamhuis, etc..they actually were not too far behind Edler this year in terms of possession metrics. I think with his brutal year, his price has dropped. Sabres need Ehrhoff more than the Nucks need Edler, as well.
- Blackstrom2

There are rumblings that Ehrhoff wants out. So "need" may not be relevant here.

There are rumblings that Ehrhoff wants out. So "need" may not be relevant here.
- buffalofan19

Hurts his value too then. It's just too many years for me....kind of a scary contract.

Yeah..everyone acknowledges that was a overpayment from Snow though. It was a gamble to get him before other teams did to try to get into the playoffs. Worst back fire.
- Blackstrom2

i think it's much more a case of GM incompetence, then it is of a GM trying to get ahead of the game, and having it backfire.

if that was his only mistake, i'd give him a pass, but that was simply one, in a long list of AWFUL moves.

my favorite is still giving up neiderreiter for clutterbuck

Eric Stall is consistent as you can be.

.89 PPG during his career.

When is the last time the Sabres had a true number 1 center that scored like that?
- ImThatGuy

The reason I brought up the debate is not to try and decide whether Staal is a good player. Is he a good player...for this Sabres team.

There are rumblings that Ehrhoff wants out. So "need" may not be relevant here.
- buffalofan19

i still think he's gonna be in ottawa........there was too much fire around stewart and ehrhoff to ottawa.......

i have no idea what the pieces would be, but i think there would be a deal to make there.

i think other than zibby, turris, ryan, karlsson, lazar, lehner...........most players would be available, and i know that t. murray has lots of years invested in several ottawa prospects.

i could see a few prospects/picks being moved for those two, or maybe some of our NHL guys, like pageau, wiercioch, methot, etc.

i think it's much more a case of GM incompetence, then it is of a GM trying to get ahead of the game, and having it backfire.

if that was his only mistake, i'd give him a pass, but that was simply one, in a long list of AWFUL moves.

my favorite is still giving up neiderreiter for clutterbuck
- sensarmy_11

The Vanek to NY trade made sense for them at the time. The team was kind of asleep still so Snow made the trade to try and help wake them up. Unfortunately, it didn't work. What he did wasn't necessarily bad, it just didn't work out the way he thought it would.

The reason I brought up the debate is not to try and decide whether Staal is a good player. Is he a good player...for this Sabres team.
- TheSabresTaco

If this was 2015 and the Sabres were in position to draft McDavid or Eichel after already drafting one of the Sam's I would say he would be good for this team. But as it is now, I'm not sure

The Vanek to NY trade made sense for them at the time. The team was kind of asleep still so Snow made the trade to try and help wake them up. Unfortunately, it didn't work. What he did wasn't necessarily bad, it just didn't work out the way he thought it would.
- HonkFortheGoose

He should have recognized that Vanek didn't fix the other issues on the team. The Islanders should have waited to another year or two before making a trade like that.

The Vanek to NY trade made sense for them at the time. The team was kind of asleep still so Snow made the trade to try and help wake them up. Unfortunately, it didn't work. What he did wasn't necessarily bad, it just didn't work out the way he thought it would.
- HonkFortheGoose

even at the time the deal was made, most people felt it was a pretty massive overpayment.

that deal would have been fair for just moulson and a 2nd, IMO, adding the 1st (even with the protection) was insane...........but typical with the way the isles do business.

i honestly can't remember the last time that team made a trade that they "hands down" won. nothing comes to mind

He should have recognized that Vanek didn't fix the other issues on the team. The Islanders should have waited to another year or two before making a trade like that.
- Blackstrom2

I agree. I don't see how adding someone like Vanek fixes the problem on the blue line and in net. But hey thanks for the return Garth. A first round pick and 3 seconds (2 of which were when Moulson got dealt) for Vanek is a pretty good return