IMHO, it would cost at least Myers and a #1 for Eric Staal and where the Sabres are right now, that deal makes no sense.
- maugello2

You should never drink the bong water

Edit: I was going by the assumption you were thinking of the Sabres pick

He's still just 21. I think he'll grow to avg 65/82. If I'm making Ehrhoff the centerpiece for Skinner...

I'd say Ehrhoff, Weber, St Louis 2015 1st
- TheSabresTaco

If someone had offered that deal for Myers would you take it? Skinner is basically the forward version of him and right now he's far and away their best player U-25. If he's traded, it'll be because someone offered a 1-for-1 of equal value that addresses a serious need for the Canes or because someone overpaid in assets like crazy.

IMHO, it would cost at least Myers and a #1 for Eric Staal and where the Sabres are right now, that deal makes no sense.
- maugello2

Mike with all due respect, the question was what is Staal worth to the Sabres..not what he's worth in the league. But I do agree Myers and maybe a late first.

If someone had offered that deal for Myers would you take it? Skinner is basically the forward version of him and right now he's far and away their best player U-25. If he's traded, it'll be because someone offered a 1-for-1 of equal value that addresses a serious need for the Canes or because someone overpaid in assets like crazy.
- Sabresfan-365

He's one dimensional I feel...not that it was mentioned, but Couture's value greatly trumps a guy like Skinner.

No way we let Allen be the #1 next year. We'll resign Miller at the draft and let him bring the kid along.

He's one dimensional I feel...not that it was mentioned, but Couture's value greatly trumps a guy like Skinner.
- TheSabresTaco

I don't disagree with that, but his value is still high enough that he'll bring in a good return.

Different question: where does miller end up?

If DAL or PIT moves on from current goaltenders then maybe there. Then you have the NYI and WSH that have giant holes. Should be interesting.

He averages 58 pts per 82 games. Not like he is a ppg player. I would do the Hoff and a third for him nothing more though. Doubt Carolina would though
- Stripes77

he's scored 30+ goals twice, and he's only 21.


ehrhoff and a 3rd is RIDICULOUS.

He's one dimensional I feel...not that it was mentioned, but Couture's value greatly trumps a guy like Skinner.
- TheSabresTaco

it might trump it, but it doesn't greatly trump it.

skinner would instantly be the best player on your team.....and he's only 21.......you don't get guys like that for a 31 year old d-man with a "somewhat bad" contract, and scraps.

it might trump it, but it doesn't greatly trump it.

skinner would instantly be the best player on your team.....and he's only 21.......you don't get guys like that for a 31 year old d-man with a "somewhat bad" contract, and scraps.
- sensarmy_11

Explain to me how a 4 million cap hit for a top 4 D is "somewhat bad" especially since most of the actually money has been paid out?

Explain to me how a 4 million cap hit for a top 4 D is "somewhat bad" especially since most of the actually money has been paid out?
- Stripes77

money is pretty good, term is pretty bad..........that's why i said somewhat.

i'm not debating whether ehrhoff is worthless or not, i'd take him on my team in a second.

simply pointing out that anyone who suggests that ehrhoff and some scraps (like stewart or 3rd rd picks) is even REMOTELY CLOSE to being enough to get skinner, is INSANE.

that would be like me saying that greening and macarthur should be enough to get tyler myers.

Different question: where does miller end up?

If DAL or PIT moves on from current goaltenders then maybe there. Then you have the NYI and WSH that have giant holes. Should be interesting.
- Beezer33

Do you think either of those guys are going to get traded? Lehtonen has a pretty substantial amount left on his contract. He usually has issues staying healthy, though this year was better than most for him in that department.

Fleury might be movable, being that he's only got 1 year left on his deal and it's pretty cap friendly at $5M.

money is pretty good, term is pretty bad..........that's why i said somewhat.
- sensarmy_11

But the term means nothing to the team he goes to because if he choses to retire early, they don't have to eat any part of that cap hit. We do.

Not to mention he'll be 38 at the end of it. With the style game he plays, he can easily still be playing and at a decent level at that point.

money is pretty good, term is pretty bad..........that's why i said somewhat.
- sensarmy_11

Term wouldnt effect them though. If he retires before the contract ends it doesnt effect the Canes at all. If anything trading Ehrhoff is a HUGE risk for the Sabres with the recapture penalty.

He is 31 and he would be 38 when his contract expires. He doesn't play the physical game more like a Kimmo Timmonen style

But the term means nothing to the team he goes to because if he choses to retire early, they don't have to eat any part of that cap hit. We do.

Not to mention he'll be 38 at the end of it. With the style game he plays, he can easily still be playing and at a decent level at that point.
- HonkFortheGoose

term ALWAYS means something.

ask the leafs if they're happy with the term they gave clarkson, or if the canucks were happy with the term on lunongo's deal.

teams are definitely looking at how long deals are.....i'd say as much, if not more, then the amount of money.

Term wouldnt effect them though. If he retires before the contract ends it doesnt effect the Canes at all. If anything trading Ehrhoff is a HUGE risk for the Sabres with the recapture penalty.

He is 31 and he would be 38 when his contract expires. He doesn't play the physical game more like a Kimmo Timmonen style
- Stripes77

like i said, i'm debating his value, simply saying that he's nowhere close to being worth skinner.

edit: should say "i'm NOT debating his value"

like i said, i'm debating his value, simply saying that he's nowhere close to being worth skinner.
- sensarmy_11

I agree.

I think You have a better cahnce at Staal. He and Ehrhoff are around the same age.

You add in Steward (A big bodied winger) on a contract year at $4MM.

Carolina was rumored to want to be shedding salary.

You get 2 players at $8MM for the price of Staal

Ehrhoff+Stewart+2nd for Staal. I think at least gets you a look.

That's not saying much when you look at our team.
- jaumiller

Eric Stall is consistent as you can be.

.89 PPG during his career.

When is the last time the Sabres had a true number 1 center that scored like that?

I agree.

I think You have a better cahnce at Staal. He and Ehrhoff are around the same age.

You add in Steward (A big bodied winger) on a contract year at $4MM.

Carolina was rumored to want to be shedding salary.

You get 2 players at $8MM for the price of Staal

Ehrhoff+Stewart+2nd for Staal. I think at least gets you a look.
- ImThatGuy

i agree with the idea, but i disagree that Car would want any part of that deal.

if they decide to move Staal, it's basically the indication that they're blowing it all up, and starting over.

if that's the case, they wont' be interested in players in their late 20's and early 30's. I imagine if there was a discussion to trade staal to buffalo (and i dont' think it would happen, not the player you guys need given where your team is)....the conversation starts with guys like grigo, risto, girgensens, etc (forgive the spelling, but you guys seem to draft with scrabble scores in mind).

not saying buffalo would make that deal, but i'm pretty sure those are the players the canes would want from you.

like i said, i'm debating his value, simply saying that he's nowhere close to being worth skinner.

edit: should say "i'm NOT debating his value"
- sensarmy_11

While I agree that Ehrhoff is not worth Skinner, if I can't get someone of that caliber for him, either by himself or as part of a package where I don't give up a high draft pick as well, I'd rather the Sabres keep him. His contract is fine, and the Sabres will get more value out of services rendered than any middle of the road player they'd get in return.

i agree with the idea, but i disagree that Car would want any part of that deal.

if they decide to move Staal, it's basically the indication that they're blowing it all up, and starting over.

if that's the case, they wont' be interested in players in their late 20's and early 30's. I imagine if there was a discussion to trade staal to buffalo (and i dont' think it would happen, not the player you guys need given where your team is)....the conversation starts with guys like grigo, risto, girgensens, etc (forgive the spelling, but you guys seem to draft with scrabble scores in mind).

not saying buffalo would make that deal, but i'm pretty sure those are the players the canes would want from you.
- sensarmy_11

This is basically how i'm predicting who we draft past the 1st round. Moment I see someone with one too many syllables in his name, I know he's ours.

Ehroff, Stewart and an extra should work. Gotta go young though. Maybe Adam?
- Beezer33

No.

This is basically how i'm predicting who we draft past the 1st round. Moment I see someone with one too many syllables in his name, I know he's ours.
- Sabresfan-365

Draisaitl

Different question: where does miller end up?

If DAL or PIT moves on from current goaltenders then maybe there. Then you have the NYI and WSH that have giant holes. Should be interesting.
- Beezer33

yeah, such a massive hole. His .903 save percentage on a great defensive team, which dropped even more in the playoffs is certainly a much better option than the .930 Halak put up in a Caps jersey on a horrible defensive team..or..you know....Holtby's .915 or Grubby's .925 when they sucked the first half of the year.

This is exactly what I said a year ago, and all you Sabres fans went on about how we needed Miller. Yeah....

Draisaitl
- buffalofan19

David Pastrnak (notice that rn combo...that just screams sabres draft pick)

Alex Nedlejkovic and Nikita Serebryakov (can't wait to see how people here spell that if they're having trouble with Ristolainen)