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TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:25 PM ET
Bruins/Habs 2nd round is set.
- tangent_man

Frank em both...the winner of our series is going to the cup
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 26 @ 6:27 PM ET
You know what? I give up.

Claude Giroux has failed because...Hockeybuzz.

- AllInForFlyers


So what are you saying, That it is Hartnell that is supposed to get Giroux going? What MJL said was dead on point.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Apr 26 @ 6:28 PM ET
Frank em both...the winner of our series is going to the cup
- TPC


I only see montreal having a chance against them. Odd I say it but montreal is a team full of nats. Bruins wont be able to catch themand will annoy the crap out of them that they lose focus.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:28 PM ET
fyi i was joking. But im sure everyone in here bashing him for his lack of production just crapped their pants feeling the series was over. The rangers are taking him away from the series but really it falls on the coach to get him away from the not so favorable match ups. if im the rangers coach Im taking him out of the games and making the other lines beat us. Worked pretty well up to the point of mason coming back and having a steller game.
- jmdodgeser4

TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:29 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God

You watch supernatural to? I am not even ashamed to say it. I have seen every episode. The show has been pretty bad since season 5 ended, but now I watch each week cause i have to see how it ends.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Apr 26 @ 6:29 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God


Just tired of the g bashing. He hasnt had a great series but the rangers are doing an amazing job of containing him. time for berube to get him free from the match ups .
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:32 PM ET
You watch supernatural to? I am not even ashamed to say it. I have seen every episode. The show has been pretty bad since season 5 ended, but now I watch each week cause i have to see how it ends.
- TPC

No one should be ashamed!

Dude Supernatural and Sherlock are the only shows I watch.

Everyone poops on Supernatural since season 5, but honestly, I've thought they've done a good job with it. It does just kind of keep going though but it's not like the story line is really farfetched. Besides, I like the dynamic going with Sam and Dean. It's interesting.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:32 PM ET
Just tired of the g bashing. He hasnt had a great series but the rangers are doing an amazing job of containing him. time for berube to get him free from the match ups .
- jmdodgeser4

Yup I agree.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:34 PM ET
No one should be ashamed!

Dude Supernatural and Sherlock are the only shows I watch.

Everyone poops on Supernatural since season 5, but honestly, I've thought they've done a good job with it. It does just kind of keep going though but it's not like the story line is really farfetched. Besides, I like the dynamic going with Sam and Dean. It's interesting.

- Giroux_Is_God

Yea, maybe it was just the Leviathan concept they started. That pissed me off for some reason. Yea Dean is just a great character. Makes it worth watching.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:35 PM ET
So what are you saying, That it is Hartnell that is supposed to get Giroux going? What MJL said was dead on point.
- MBFlyerfan


All those fan-phrases like "he's the catalyst" and "he's the engine" -- it's just crap people tell themselves to hold a team's best players to some mystical standard when other guys around him aren't helping to get it done.

Is Russell Wilson a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?

Was Trent Dilfer the equal to Peyton Manning?

Did Sidney Crosby lose the puck behind the net and then give up a goal from the blue line in overtime?

Is Mike Richards a loser now? Drew Doughty? Jeff Carter? Anze Kopitar's a finalist for the Selke Trophy. Jonathan Quick's won a Conn Smythe. All of them have Stanley Cups. Why are these impact players, proven winners, getting destroyed by the San Jose Sharks? Did Darryl Sutter all of a sudden get stupid?





HabsRUs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: "I have to be strong, you know
Joined: 10.23.2006

Apr 26 @ 6:35 PM ET
Nobody wants to play the Bruins. Including the West, probably...
- Giroux_Is_God


I think the whole league is happy for a Habs/Bruins matchup Anything can happen with this rivalry, no matter how good either team is
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:36 PM ET
No one should be ashamed!

Dude Supernatural and Sherlock are the only shows I watch.

Everyone poops on Supernatural since season 5, but honestly, I've thought they've done a good job with it. It does just kind of keep going though but it's not like the story line is really farfetched. Besides, I like the dynamic going with Sam and Dean. It's interesting.

- Giroux_Is_God

The first couple of season, the show was darker and creepy at times. I loved the random job episodes they would do at random warehouses and asylums and what not. That got me hooked. Then it started to get to plot oriented.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:37 PM ET
Yea, maybe it was just the Leviathan concept they started. That pissed me off for some reason. Yea Dean is just a great character. Makes it worth watching.
- TPC

See I actually like the Leviathan.

Probably because I just liked the monsters themselves. I thought those things were (frank)in cool
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:38 PM ET
The first couple of season, the show was darker and creepy at times. I loved the random job episodes they would do at random warehouses and asylums and what not. That got me hooked
- TPC

Yeah they still do them. Like fillers.

Usually they come with the heart to heart in the Impala
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:38 PM ET
See I actually like the Leviathan.

Probably because I just liked the monsters themselves. I thought those things were (frank)in cool

- Giroux_Is_God

haha fair enough. All my friends laugh at me cause i am 26 and still watch. I don't care, I don't miss an episode unless the Rangers are on at the same time
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:38 PM ET
its being reported g is out with lower body injury for game 5 tomorrow . checking on it and trying to find a site
- jmdodgeser4


Recovering from an episitomy?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:41 PM ET
All those fan-phrases like "he's the catalyst" and "he's the engine" -- it's just crap people tell themselves to hold a team's best players to some mystical standard when other guys around him aren't helping to get it done.

Is Russell Wilson a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?

Was Trent Dilfer the equal to Peyton Manning?

Did Sidney Crosby lose the puck behind the net and then give up a goal from the blue line in overtime?

Is Mike Richards a loser now? Drew Doughty? Jeff Carter? Anze Kopitar's a finalist for the Selke Trophy. Jonathan Quick's won a Conn Smythe. All of them have Stanley Cups. Why are these impact players, proven winners, getting destroyed by the San Jose Sharks? Did Darryl Sutter all of a sudden get stupid?

- AllInForFlyers

I'm trying to compute this response....

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 26 @ 6:41 PM ET
haha fair enough. All my friends laugh at me cause i am 26 and still watch. I don't care, I don't miss an episode unless the Rangers are on at the same time

- TPC

Good man. If it's a good show it's a good show
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:42 PM ET
All those fan-phrases like "he's the catalyst" and "he's the engine" -- it's just crap people tell themselves to hold a team's best players to some mystical standard when other guys around him aren't helping to get it done.

Is Russell Wilson a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?

Was Trent Dilfer the equal to Peyton Manning?

Did Sidney Crosby lose the puck behind the net and then give up a goal from the blue line in overtime?

Is Mike Richards a loser now? Drew Doughty? Jeff Carter? Anze Kopitar's a finalist for the Selke Trophy. Jonathan Quick's won a Conn Smythe. All of them have Stanley Cups. Why are these impact players, proven winners, getting destroyed by the San Jose Sharks? Did Darryl Sutter all of a sudden get stupid?

This is absurd. Just like your defense of Giroux.

He's an awesome player. Not to awesome this series. Why are you so butt hurt over it?

- AllInForFlyers
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:42 PM ET
Good man. If it's a good show it's a good show
- Giroux_Is_God

Agreed
GodIsaCatholic
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 08.05.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:44 PM ET
Neeeeeeee haaaaaaa!!!
Make God
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 6:44 PM ET
All those fan-phrases like "he's the catalyst" and "he's the engine" -- it's just crap people tell themselves to hold a team's best players to some mystical standard when other guys around him aren't helping to get it done.

Is Russell Wilson a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?

Was Trent Dilfer the equal to Peyton Manning?

Did Sidney Crosby lose the puck behind the net and then give up a goal from the blue line in overtime?

Is Mike Richards a loser now? Drew Doughty? Jeff Carter? Anze Kopitar's a finalist for the Selke Trophy. Jonathan Quick's won a Conn Smythe. All of them have Stanley Cups. Why are these impact players, proven winners, getting destroyed by the San Jose Sharks? Did Darryl Sutter all of a sudden get stupid?

- AllInForFlyers


Wanting Claude Giroux, who is the team's best player, to play like he's the best player, is holding him to a mystical standard?

Not sure what the rest of those players have to do with Giroux. And I don't know who called Giroux a loser, but I sure didn't. But stating that Giroux has not played well offensively in this series, is not inaccurate. Nor is it unreasonable to state that the Flyers need Giroux to produce better offensively. And in doing so, would give the Flyers a much better chance of winning this series, and going further in the playoffs. Feel free to point out anything in my post here, that you feel is false, or inaccurate.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:45 PM ET
I'm trying to compute this response....


- Giroux_Is_God


It's simple: In a team sport, there are guys who are better players. But at the end of the day, no one player supercedes what the team is able to accomplish.

Would the Denver Broncos have beaten the Seattle Seahawks if Russell Wilson was their quarterback and Peyton Manning played for the Seahawks?

No. They wouldn't have. Just because one guy is a great player doesn't mean that guy is going to be great against all competition, every time, no matter what his teammates do or don't do.

Just because Claude Giroux's a great player doesn't mean he doesn't need help. It doesn't make him some mystical "catalyst." What does that even mean? If Giroux got hit by a truck tomorrow, then Scott Hartnell can't score a goal anymore?
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Apr 26 @ 6:45 PM ET
Neeeeeeee haaaaaaa!!!
Make God

- GodIsaCatholic

Alcohol is a dangerous drug
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Apr 26 @ 6:46 PM ET
I think the whole league is happy for a Habs/Bruins matchup Anything can happen with this rivalry, no matter how good either team is
- HabsRUs

sacre bleu blanc et rouge go habs
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