the length though, i just dont think i can palate. hes not dust yet, but i dont see him being viable in 3 or 4 years time. but for now though, id really like him. if he got bought out, id give him 5 for 3.
- stayinthefnnet

Agreed. That's why Flyers fans who were shocked at the deal, myself included, might look back at the Carter and Richards deals as huge steals. Of course, Homer could have avoided the whole thing by not dishing out such ridiculously lenghty contracts in the first place.

One of the appealing things for Pitt fans, if Richards somehow ended up playing for the Penguins, you know he would like nothing more than to destroy the Flyers each and every time he went up against them.

Agreed. That's why Flyers fans who were shocked at the deal, myself included, might look back at the Carter and Richards deals as huge steals. Of course, Homer could have avoided the whole thing by not dishing out such ridiculously lenghty contracts in the first place.

One of the appealing things for Pitt fans, if somehow Richards ended up playing for the Penguins, you know he would like nothing more than to destroy the Flyers each and every time he went up against them.
- wolfhounds

yeah. like i said, on a realistic deal, id take him for the 3C for sure. hell, id still welcome a kelser deal if possible. id welcome a return of jordan potentially.

but moving malkin+ for kopitar+, that could be huge.

yeah. like i said, on a realistic deal, id take him for the 3C for sure. hell, id still welcome a kelser deal if possible. id welcome a return of jordan potentially.

but moving malkin+ for kopitar+, that could be huge.
- stayinthefnnet

I'm guessing both sides would sit down and seriously discuss that trade.

I'm guessing both sides would sit down and seriously discuss that trade.
- wolfhounds

I really don't think they would. I just don't see the reasoning why they would trade Kopitar.

I really don't think they would. I just don't see the reasoning why they would trade Kopitar.
- SuperHenderson13

Yeah, I'm no GM here, so who knows. Richards would be more likely to move, but he doesn't even get close to a player like Malkin. And if LA gets swept this year, reactionary moves might happen.

You can post the statistical analysis if you want. But Crosby is being dominated by Dubinsky.

You can post the statistical analysis if you want. But Crosby is being dominated by Dubinsky.
- Ben37

So you want to get rid of Marc-Andre Fleury. So who's out there that's going to replace him? There's not many GM's in this league that is going to want to give up anything valuable for a very expensive, mentally weak post season goalie!

Honestly Paul Martin is not a stud. It's like you say that the best players don't necessarily need to put up points all the time. Well, Martin is putting up points but what about when he isn't scoring. 99% of the team lacks emotion and professionalism when it comes to playing a hard fought 60 minute hockey game as evident lately in the Penguins most recent and embarrassing playoffs appearances. Registering a couple points on a couple of shifts helps no doubt, but I desire more more from a guy playing over 28 minutes thus far. Call me a sucker for loving defence. Maybe I'm old fashioned in some regard and I model my appreciation for sports a lot based on the defensive side... "Defense wins championships" I believe relates to all sports. Steal curtain baby! Not to knock Martin and again thank goodness he is scoring, really the defence is the primary source of scoring thus far, but answer this. How long can we survive giving up close to 4 goals a game. Everyone needs to step up, that much is obvious, but when will it happen?

I see a lot of people talking about letting Niskanen walk. Unless he gets rediculous offers (which is highly likely) then Shero needs to make an honest attempt to keep him. He's played well this season and there's added value in allowing Maatta to continue to develop w/ the same partner. This team needs to bigger, much bigger, in the offseason. James Neal is a prime target that could net a big return. You can't deny his talent but the guy's a fifth penalty killer for the opposition w/ how often he takes offensive zone penalties.

have always loved Kopitar, no way LA trades him though. I would die for him, but LA would have no reason to dump him. especially for Malkin.

maybe malkin to florida for Huberdau (sp?) + ?
- SuperHenderson13

If your trading away malkin there better be a better return. Honestly, malkin for a decent center along with wing dept would be best. Not star for star. doesnt help if you dont get a couple c players to fill holes instead of an aplus for an a

My only criticism of Disco Dan is his inability to have the best players CURRENTLY on the ice at key times. Not Skuds, Adams and Glass. You may be a veteran and you may have played well in the past but what have you done lately? Why bother drafting talent that does not get used when your old guys clearly are struggling? Disco plays percentages only he understands. I know I don't.

I know you are thinking, but it's up to the players, right. To an extent , of course. But Babcock would never do the stuff Dan does and continue to win games. He uses the players that can get him results based on their current quality of play. I think Dan is a B level coach who might be an A someday, but not right now.

And yes we are not a deep team and yes that is why you use some youth on D and in forward positions, IMO. Of course waiting to the playoffs not the best time to do it.

Agreed. That's why Flyers fans who were shocked at the deal, myself included, might look back at the Carter and Richards deals as huge steals. Of course, Homer could have avoided the whole thing by not dishing out such ridiculously lenghty contracts in the first place.

One of the appealing things for Pitt fans, if Richards somehow ended up playing for the Penguins, you know he would like nothing more than to destroy the Flyers each and every time he went up against them.
- wolfhounds

True.

You guys got started early!

Will Malkin be in the lineup tomorrow or has he been traded? And what about Fleury? Do I need to go to WB to watch him? Oh and also, since Bylsma is obviously already fired, who is our new coach?

Seriously, this place reminds me of high school sometimes.

I would slit my wrists if Logan C ever played for the Pens. Can't stand him. Would never root for him.
- Oneonta Penguin

a lot of flyers fans said the same about danny briere and max talbot. sweater color changes things.

I really don't think they would. I just don't see the reasoning why they would trade Kopitar.
- SuperHenderson13

kings lack scoring. on LA, malkin becomes the bonafide #1 guy, which is when he's excelled in pitt when crosby was injured. i think it'd make a lot of sense for the kings, depending what else went back with kopitar.

So you want to get rid of Marc-Andre Fleury. So who's out there that's going to replace him? There's not many GM's in this league that is going to want to give up anything valuable for a very expensive, mentally weak post season goalie!
- NewfieStud

There are four stupid GMs out there.

Very expensive? Starting goalies making 5 million that have won a Cup aren't classified very expensive. Some non-play-off tesams would love a regular season goalie for a year to help get them to the play-offs.

Who would replace him? Look at the free agent pool. There are some that could be had if the price is right.

I see a lot of people talking about letting Niskanen walk. Unless he gets rediculous offers (which is highly likely) then Shero needs to make an honest attempt to keep him. He's played well this season and there's added value in allowing Maatta to continue to develop w/ the same partner. This team needs to bigger, much bigger, in the offseason. James Neal is a prime target that could net a big return. You can't deny his talent but the guy's a fifth penalty killer for the opposition w/ how often he takes offensive zone penalties.
- Incredible Malk

Letang needs to go before Neal for obvious reasons. Niskanen can be kept only if Letang is sent packing.

Neal - even with his warts, is a young and controlled 35-40 goal scorer making 5 million. Those are almost rarities in this league. Letang is a fragile, overpaid PMD making 7.25 million over the next seven years or whatever. He is worse value than Neal and its not even close. However with the dumb GMs out there, someone will overpay for him.

It's somewhat funny ... people rip Fleury for his play-off performances, but seem to give Letang a pass. He sucked ass against the Flyers; he was terrible in the first two rounds last year and has done absolutely nothing positive in four games versus the Blue Jackets. While Neal takes foolish penalties, so does Letang and his gaffes end up in the back of the net.

Two days off are brutal... Nice to see that we've already fired our coach and traded or let walk most of our good players after being tied 2-2 in a first round series.

Mario is not letting Malkin be traded. I can't see that happening.

There are four stupid GMs out there.

Very expensive? Starting goalies making 5 million that have won a Cup aren't classified very expensive. Some non-play-off tesams would love a regular season goalie for a year to help get them to the play-offs.

Who would replace him? Look at the free agent pool. There are some that could be had if the price is right.
- Oneonta Penguin

MAF has a limited no trade clause... You think he's accepting a trade to a non playoff team?

Two days off are brutal... Nice to see that we've already fired our coach and traded or let walk most of our good players after being tied 2-2 in a first round series.

Mario is not letting Malkin be traded. I can't see that happening.
- rival22

in all fairness, i dont necessarily WANT malkin to be traded at all. like i said, i still think that the team can win with him and crosby. its more of a reflection of just how underrated i think kopitar is. if you get back kopitar and some other form of value, i would strongly consider it. if you get kopitar out of LA and onto the pens, i think he finishes yearly in the 80 to 90 point range, while playing ridiculous two way hockey. he is also extremely durable, and locked up long term for approximately 2 million a year cheaper.

MAF has a limited no trade clause... You think he's accepting a trade to a non playoff team?
- rival22

So, which would you rather have if you were MAF ... the choice of either being traded to a non-play off team or be bought out and not have too many suiters looking to pay you 5 million as a free agent? Not a difficult choice for me.

Can say it as much as you want but looking at how many even strength shots a team has when a player is on the ice doesn't tell the whole story. We have been playing perimeter hockey and shooting the puck from Tyler Kennedy angles. Yes, on the stat page is shows a ton of shots but they are horrible angle shots. Don't get me wrong, I always agree with just get the puck to the net and things will happen. However, if you take horrible angle shots you need guys in front of the net to make those things happen and the Pens are not doing that.

if i'm shero

1. Fire Bylsma before the draft. set the tone early that we mean business this offseason
2. Hire someone not named Barry Trotz. Seriously, don't get the obsession with him. good coach doesn't make you the right coach. I wouldn't mind Lavy. Wouldn't mind Tocchet. Wouldn't mind Guerin as an assistant if he's interested.
3. Look to deal Letang at the draft. There are numerous teams that would fight for his services and all would be looking to get him. someone would make a stupid offer. take the offer and run. look for a forward prospect who is NHL ready, a younger NHL ready guy, and a 1st round pick in this draft. maybe alter the pieces, but something like that.
4. Let Jokinen, Niskanen, Oprik, and Glass walk. I'm assuming that Jokinen and Niskanen will want too much to keep.
5. Look for someone, anyone, to take Adams and/or Scuds. Useless players taking up money, dump them.
6. Based on my math, that leaves 1 top 6 role, 2 spots on the 3rd line, maybe 3, and at least 2 spots on the 4th line. long story short, we have about 5 forwards.
7. Qualify Sutter for RFA. If he wants 4 million, look at other options.
8. Look to make a trade or two to fill some of those holes. no way you will find those number of quality players in FA.
9. Reset the culture and expectations in this city and franchise.
- SuperHenderson13

1. Agree. Fire him right after the exit.
2. Barry Trotz, I'm not sure knows what to do with having two 100-point scorers and two additional 35-goal scoring types on his roster. He is the king of having to deal with 50-point guys. All the sudden, I think Crosby becomes a 65-point guy under Trotz. I don't think he is a fit unless he changes his ways.
3. Agree with this
4. If you deal Letang, no way do you let Niskanen walk. With Orpik probably gone; Engelland in question - that leaves Maatta, Martin, Scuderi, Bortuzzo, Despres as your returning options with NHL experience. Sure, Dumoullin, Harrington or Samuelsson might be ready by then, but I think with the way Despres is being treated/handled, he will be dealt in the off-season. Jokinen can be had for 3.2 million. He is versatile in which he can play second or third line minutes, or be moved with Sid in a pinch. He isn't out of place. Same with Stempniak, who I think we should resign.
5. No one is going to pay a good return for Scuderi. You have to hope he has a Martin like moment next year and rebounds like PMart did after a bad first season with the Pens. Adams - buy him out.
6. There isn't much on the free agent list that really makes an improvement to me. Teams have locked up the quality players and all that remains are older/aging players with diminishing skills or role players. The way to fix is trades not free agents.
7. I'm alright with Sutter at 3.2 provided you have a good third line not involving Glass or Pyatt. He needs capable wingers to play a good game. Put Bennett and Gibbons or Stempniak with him, he seems like a totally different player.
8. See point number 6
9. I think you will always have high expectations with a lineup involving Sid, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz for starters. Adjusting expectations means trading Malkin.

Can say it as much as you want but looking at how many even strength shots a team has when a player is on the ice doesn't tell the whole story. We have been playing perimeter hockey and shooting the puck from Tyler Kennedy angles. Yes, on the stat page is shows a ton of shots but they are horrible angle shots. Don't get me wrong, I always agree with just get the puck to the net and things will happen. However, if you take horrible angle shots you need guys in front of the net to make those things happen and the Pens are not doing that.
- kgrpitt

+1 for the TK reference.