Neither are undersized, actually. Bennett is somewhat/barely small at 5'11"/6'0", Reinhart is average at 6'1". Bennett could gain a few more pounds to benefit his playstyle but there is really nothing that concerning in that regard.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Bennett is 6'.25'' and the last weight I saw was 176. Reinhart was around 185 last I saw. Neither will be much bigger than the other in the NHL, so as they say, size doesn't matter with regard to them. Now, let's talk speed

I wasn't comparing them as exact players just that one had all the love with little grit, and one got less love with a lot more grit and bigger balls. You see I don't have time to write a dissertation here so I trust you will get what what I insinuate, but I guess you are a literal guy so it has to be spelled out like I just did.
- GilPerreault11

So, playing aggressively and undisciplined means you have bigger balls?

Would you consider Patrice Bergeron to be a soft player? I doubt it. Bergeron only has 1 NHL fight. Last time I checked, Reinhart has 1 fight in the W... And both play similarly on the forecheck, and have discipline and maturity. Unless there is some unseen category, I really don't know how you see Reinhart as a soft player.

Would you rather have a guy that can put up very good numbers, is good defensively, and forechecks like a high energy, low discipline third liner or a guy that can put up very good numbers, is very good defensively, and can lift a stick and steal the puck away with discipline similar to the guys like Datsyuk/Bergeron?

Bennett is 6'.25'' and the last weight I saw was 176. Reinhart was around 185 last I saw. Neither will be much bigger than the other in the NHL, so as they say, size doesn't matter with regard to them. Now, let's talk speed
- GilPerreault11

I get where u r comming from especially after drafting a poor skating grigorenko and a fiesty great skating Girgenson. Bennett has done just as well,production wise, in the chl as reinhart and is 1 year younger. It is possible that he could surpass reinhart if he had another year, like reinhart had, in the chl. I'm fine with whoever we draft. my preference is reinhart but I can see why your big on bennett

Bennett is 6'.25'' and the last weight I saw was 176. Reinhart was around 185 last I saw. Neither will be much bigger than the other in the NHL, so as they say, size doesn't matter with regard to them. Now, let's talk speed
- GilPerreault11

6'.25 is exaggerated, but like I said, size isn't a concern for either, unless Bennett feels that adding a couple pounds can add to his aggressive play style.

Also, like I said, both are NHL level skaters. It's like comparing Ryan O'Reilly (Reinhart's speed) to Landeskog (Bennett's speed). One is the better skater, but the other's ability is not to be overlooked.

So, playing aggressively and undisciplined means you have bigger balls?

Would you consider Patrice Bergeron to be a soft player? I doubt it. Bergeron only has 1 NHL fight. Last time I checked, Reinhart has 1 fight in the W... And both play similarly on the forecheck, and have discipline and maturity. Unless there is some unseen category, I really don't know how you see Reinhart as a soft player.

Would you rather have a guy that can put up very good numbers, is good defensively, and forechecks like a high energy, low discipline third liner or a guy that can put up very good numbers, is very good defensively, and can lift a stick and steal the puck away with discipline similar to the guys like Datsyuk/Bergeron?
- LetsGoBuffalo75

This is what I want. Finally a skilled player who is "miserable" to play against. That's toughness and competitiveness I want. Put it better by people smarter than you or I:

"The guys we have at the top all are in that mold, but when we look at Sam Bennett we see a guy who could potentially have a Jonathan Toews type of career.”

Bennett’s effectiveness was apparent when the votes were tallied in the Ontario Hockey League’s Eastern Conference Coaches Poll. He came in first overall in the smartest player, best playmaker and best stick-handler categories. He also finished third in the best defensive forward category.

“There’s a lot of bite in his game,” a scout told SI.com. “He’s a fierce competitor in all three zones, absolutely miserable to play against. Great hands, great head. Best case, maybe [Central Scouting is] right and he matures into an elite No. 1 [center]. Worst case, he’s a really solid No. 2. He’s really a no-risk pick.”

6'.25 is exaggerated, but like I said, size isn't a concern for either, unless Bennett feels that adding a couple pounds can add to his aggressive play style.

Also, like I said, both are NHL level skaters. It's like comparing Ryan O'Reilly (Reinhart's speed) to Landeskog (Bennett's speed). One is the better skater, but the other's ability is not to be overlooked.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

6'.025

I get where u r comming from especially after drafting a poor skating grigorenko and a fiesty great skating Girgenson. Bennett has done just as well,production wise, in the chl as reinhart and is 1 year younger. It is possible that he could surpass reinhart if he had another year, like reinhart had, in the chl. I'm fine with whoever we draft. my preference is reinhart but I can see why your big on bennett
- joshs

I wouldn't consider Grigorenko to be a poor skater, just slightly below average. Deceptive, long strides. And I'd also say Reinhart is definitely a better skater than Grigs.

6'.025
- GilPerreault11

My mistake then. That's pretty accurate. Either way, like I originally said, size isn't a large concern for either, unless Bennett wants to beef up a tad more to get stronger.

Why do you always have bad trade proposals?
- Herzeleid

I know hey....

This is what I want. Finally a skilled player who is "miserable" to play against. That's toughness and competitiveness I want. Put it better by people smarter than you or I:

"The guys we have at the top all are in that mold, but when we look at Sam Bennett we see a guy who could potentially have a Jonathan Toews type of career.”

Bennett’s effectiveness was apparent when the votes were tallied in the Ontario Hockey League’s Eastern Conference Coaches Poll. He came in first overall in the smartest player, best playmaker and best stick-handler categories. He also finished third in the best defensive forward category.

“There’s a lot of bite in his game,” a scout told SI.com. “He’s a fierce competitor in all three zones, absolutely miserable to play against. Great hands, great head. Best case, maybe
- GilPerreault11[Central Scouting is] right and he matures into an elite No. 1 [center]. Worst case, he’s a really solid No. 2. He’s really a no-risk pick.”

Do you think guys like Bergeron and O'Reilly (very solid Reinhart comparisons defensively) aren't an absolute nightmare to play against?

And I already spent long enough on the completely out of the blue Toews comparison, but I'll repeat if I must...
Toews = bigger than Bennett, Selke candidate, incredibly mature and composed, forechecks without unnecessary aggression.
Bennett = smaller than Toews, above average defensively, seemingly immature, and definitely undisciplined, forechecks through aggression.
The only comparable to Toews in this draft is Reinhart, since they share an absolute boatload of traits and styles.

these pretzels are making me thirsty
- homiedclown

hahahahaha my question is who's putting your pants on lol.... same episode.

Do you think guys like Bergeron and O'Reilly (very solid Reinhart comparisons defensively) aren't an absolute nightmare to play against?

And I already spent long enough on the completely out of the blue Toews comparison, but I'll repeat if I must...
Toews = bigger than Bennett, Selke candidate, incredibly mature and composed, forechecks without unnecessary aggression.
Bennett = smaller than Toews, above average defensively, seemingly immature, and definitely undisciplined, forechecks through aggression.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Bennett is a Kesler or M. Richards

Reinhart is Toews

I wouldn't consider Grigorenko to be a poor skater, just slightly below average. Deceptive, long strides. And I'd also say Reinhart is definitely a better skater than Grigs.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

you def know how to rate players man... good work...

I get where u r comming from especially after drafting a poor skating grigorenko and a fiesty great skating Girgenson. Bennett has done just as well,production wise, in the chl as reinhart and is 1 year younger. It is possible that he could surpass reinhart if he had another year, like reinhart had, in the chl. I'm fine with whoever we draft. my preference is reinhart but I can see why your big on bennett
- joshs

If the Sabres end up with Reinhart I'm sure the sun will rise again but I'll be a tad bit disappointed but I'll trust Tim Murray and his scouting acumen to make the right decision. Who knows, one of the Sams might be gone at #1.

If the Sabres end up with Reinhart I'm sure the sun will rise again but I'll be a tad bit disappointed but I'll trust Tim Murray and his scouting acumen to make the right decision. Who knows, one of the Sams might be gone at #1.
- GilPerreault11

This is pretty much my exact opinion, just with the players reversed. We actually have something we can agree about

Bennett is a Kesler or M. Richards

Reinhart is Toews
- Jammerz04

This is pretty much exactly how I see it, especially considering Bennett himself says he models his game after Richards. I can see him having more goal-scoring potential than Richards, so Kesler as a comparison is also quite accurate.

Bennett is a Kesler or M. Richards

Reinhart is Toews
- Jammerz04

I dont see Reinhart being as good as toews, however bennett with a richards like career could be expected.

Do you think guys like Bergeron and O'Reilly (very solid Reinhart comparisons defensively) aren't an absolute nightmare to play against?

And I already spent long enough on the completely out of the blue Toews comparison, but I'll repeat if I must...
Toews = bigger than Bennett, Selke candidate, incredibly mature and composed, forechecks without unnecessary aggression.
Bennett = smaller than Toews, above average defensively, seemingly immature, and definitely undisciplined, forechecks through aggression.
The only comparable to Toews in this draft is Reinhart, since they share an absolute boatload of traits and styles.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Why do you say he is only average defensively when the OHL coaches voted him 3rd best D forward and 2nd best D center in the strongest Canadian Junior league? Do you know more than them? Are all the other players in the league average or below? Also, when you talk size Bennett is only 17 he can still grow a bit more and his agression can be tamed. But it's better to have a mean streak than not to have one and be passive. You're assessmment contradicts most professionals and I think your Reinhart bias is showing through. Even I can say Reinhart has many great skills, can pass and anticipate plays. But Bennett has a better shot, quicker release, quicker first step, and is a faster skater along with a mean streak.

I dont see Reinhart being as good as toews, however bennett with a richards like career could be expected.
- Mentalorgasm5

I honestly think Toews is a little bit overrated. He's great defensively, has great leadership qualities, is mature, and hovers just below the point/gm plateau. Considering the amount of skill he plays with, he isn't exactly a monster offensively. I see Reinhart as pretty much the same defensively, having the same leadership and composure, and putting up around 75 points per year just like him.

Why do you say he is only average defensively when the OHL coaches voted him 3rd best D forward and 2nd best D center in the strongest Canadian Junior league? Do you know more than them? Are all the other players in the league average or below? Also, when you talk size Bennett is only 17 he can still grow a bit more and his aggression can be tamed. But it's better to have a mean streak than not to have one and be passive. You're assessment contradicts most professionals and I think your Reinhart bias is showing through. Even I can say Reinhart has many great skills, can pass and anticipate plays. But Bennett has a better shot, quicker release, quicker first step, and is a faster skater along with a mean streak.
- GilPerreault11

I didn't say he was average, if you read more carefully. I said he is above average, so there goes your retort there. And for the 3rd time, I already said size isn't a concern. Both will fill out their frames, and are NHL sized.

Like I've said before, the overall competitiveness of the leagues is much closer than it has been in the past. Some believe there is a gap, some don't. It's incredibly debateable. Just look at the last 3 Memorial Cup winning teams. All QMHJL teams (St. John's, Shawinigan, Halifax), which many say is a weak league for whatever reason. If you really want to compare leagues, you can see that the W is more defensively concerned than the Q or O, yet Reinhart still put up more points than Bennett playing against bigger, meaner D men and better goaltenders.

Quicker release, yes. Better shot, debateable. Both had 36 goals, so goal scoring ability is still up in the air. And like I said before, it's like comparing Landeskog and O'Reilly's skating. One is better, but the other is not to be overlooked.

I can also say that Bennett is going to be a very good player, and that his game is strong in all areas. It's just that I believe Reinhart's game is stronger in such areas. Yeah, Bennett may be a better skater and is more aggressive, but I think Reinhart is stronger offensively and defensively, the two most important categories. The categories that separate the players like Toews, Bergeron, Datsyuk, etc into a higher echelon than others that play tough and aggressive like Matt Ellis and Patrick Kaleta.

I didn't say he was average, if you read more carefully. I said he is above average, so there goes your retort there. And for the 3rd time, I already said size isn't a concern. Both will fill out their frames, and are NHL sized.

Like I've said before, the overall competitiveness of the leagues is much closer than it has been in the past. Some believe there is a gap, some don't. It's incredibly debateable. Just look at the last 3 Memorial Cup winning teams. All QMHJL teams, which many say is a weak league for whatever reason. If you really want to compare leagues, you can see that the W is more defensively concerned than the Q or O, yet Reinhart still put up more points than Bennett playing against bigger, meaner D men and better goaltenders.

Quicker release, yes. Better shot, debateable. Both had 36 goals, so goal scoring ability is still up in the air. And like I said before, it's like comparing Landeskog and O'Reilly's skating. One is better, but the other is not to be overlooked.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

One is a tremendously strong defensive forward in your eyes and the other is only, meh, whatever even though in only his 2nd year of juniors he was the 3rd best D forward in his league. That doesn't equate for me. Not to mention, he projects to be a strong two way forward in the NHL. If you've ever played hockey you know that if you "are a fierce competitor in all three zones" as scouts have described Bennett as being he should be a strong all around, scoring center.

you def know how to rate players man... good work...
- Jammerz04

Thanks, it's always been a very interesting (and expensive) hobby of mine.

Thanks, it's always been a very interesting (and expensive) hobby of mine.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Have you ever played competitive ice hockey? Competitive, I mean not bar league. Just curious.

One is a tremendously strong defensive forward in your eyes and the other is only, meh, whatever even though in only his 2nd year of juniors he was the 3rd best D forward in his league. That doesn't equate for me. Not to mention, he projects to be a strong two way forward in the NHL. If you've ever played hockey you know that if you "are a fierce competitor in all three zones" as scouts have described Bennett as being he should be a strong all around, scoring center.
- GilPerreault11

I absolutely do not consider Bennett as "meh". I said his defense is above average. Take that how you will, but I see "above average" as quite close to "very good", which I described Reinhart as. I don't know how/where you are seeing me as thinking Bennett is not capable defensively.

I didn't say he was average, if you read more carefully. I said he is above average, so there goes your retort there. And for the 3rd time, I already said size isn't a concern. Both will fill out their frames, and are NHL sized.

Like I've said before, the overall competitiveness of the leagues is much closer than it has been in the past. Some believe there is a gap, some don't. It's incredibly debateable. Just look at the last 3 Memorial Cup winning teams. All QMHJL teams (St. John's, Shawinigan, Halifax), which many say is a weak league for whatever reason. If you really want to compare leagues, you can see that the W is more defensively concerned than the Q or O, yet Reinhart still put up more points than Bennett playing against bigger, meaner D men and better goaltenders.

Quicker release, yes. Better shot, debateable. Both had 36 goals, so goal scoring ability is still up in the air. And like I said before, it's like comparing Landeskog and O'Reilly's skating. One is better, but the other is not to be overlooked.

I can also say that Bennett is going to be a very good player, and that his game is strong in all areas. It's just that I believe Reinhart's game is stronger in such areas. Yeah, Bennett may be a better skater and is more aggressive, but I think Reinhart is stronger offensively and defensively, the two most important categories. The categories that separate the players like Toews, Bergeron, Datsyuk, etc into a higher echelon than others that play tough and aggressive like Matt Ellis and Patrick Kaleta.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

I've never seen Reinhart's game compared to Toews by any reputable source, I have seen Bennett compared to him and in one article his skills were compared to Dattsyuk's which is a bit extreme.