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Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:09 PM ET
I think a top prospect maybe amid level prospect and a first gets it done. I would not trade two of those guys but one yeah
- kasperrko


Well that's the thing, you're not getting Subban for that. Not unless Snow is the GM of the Habs
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:09 PM ET
There have been plenty who ended up being busts. It really is all a crap shoot. Subban I still feel can help this team out tremendously on the power play. We need a guy like him. He knows how to win. I understand what you are saying but again you can take the Islander approach and pray that the prospects play amazingly at the NHL level or you can make a trade that will impact the team and maybe just maybe get us over the hump
- kasperrko


You have a power play QB in the making with de Haan. You also have a 100mph slapshot coming up with Pulock. I see no need to deal 2 of your top 3 or 4 prospects and then sign a HUGE contract for a kid who is an excellent offensive dman but average at best in his own zone, all along with the 'doesn't play well with his coaches' label. Pass.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:10 PM ET
I think a top prospect maybe amid level prospect and a first gets it done. I would not trade two of those guys but one yeah

We all know how I feel about Snow but remember when he traded for Ryan Smyth? He traded away a couple of prospects at the time and they ended up being busts. Nillson who was in the trade was a top pick and I believe Ryan O'marra was as well. So you never know

- kasperrko


I understand your point but those guys were all mid 1st rd picks. Strome & Reinhart were top 5 picks
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:13 PM ET
Good write up, what are you thoughts on Hickey staying on the Island as a regular?

And it would be interesting to see what kind of an offer they would put together for Subban, I feel like the Isles would have a lot of pieces that would interest MTL...not saying they would be moving him

- ratticus91



sebastian colberg tickle your fancy???
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:14 PM ET
Well that's the thing, you're not getting Subban for that. Not unless Snow is the GM of the Habs
- Vukota


I don't know. Montreal seems to really want him to get out of town. IF they don't accept then I would not trade for them. I say you have to try though. Dangle some names and see what they would want. I mean look at what the Rangers gave up for an aging St. Louis. Again you need to try
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:16 PM ET
I wouldn't do it if I was the Isles. Reinhart had a very solid camp and there was talk about the Isles keeping him up but decided to send him back at the end of camp. Regardless of what that writer said he is gonna be a good one
- Vukota

They even said the Isles nearly kept up Pulock, they were so high on him as well. Both of those kids are going to be huge parts of this future for YEARS. Meanwhile Strome is going to be our 1b to JT's 1A.

I don't believe you need a norris dman to be a Stanley Cup contender. Give us five quality top four dmen with a potent offense and good goalie and this team will be as dangerous as any in the league.
Personally I think de Haan, Reinhart, Hamonic, Pulock and Pedan can all be that. Czuzcman and Mayfield also have that type of potential. Let's sign a dependable guy like Orpik without selling assets and move on.

If we can get Suban at that price for ONE of them, win win.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:17 PM ET
You have a power play QB in the making with de Haan. You also have a 100mph slapshot coming up with Pulock. I see no need to deal 2 of your top 3 or 4 prospects and then sign a HUGE contract for a kid who is an excellent offensive dman but average at best in his own zone, all along with the 'doesn't play well with his coaches' label. Pass.
- keaner17


Again that is the Islanders motto. You pray he turns into that. I loved De Haan this year I really did but he still needs some time to prove that. Before this year a lot of people wanted him out of town.

Also true offensive defenseman are really not the greatest defensive defenseman. As long as they put up the points most teams are ok about them being average and they build around them with bigger defensemen
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:18 PM ET
The cost would probably be Strome, one of the blue chip defensive prospects, and either a draft pick or another roster player

Pass. I'd rather we add a #3 or #4 than deal away Strome AND Reinhart or Pulock let alone including an additional player or pick.

- keaner17


agreed...giving up 2 of the top 5 prospects in the organization when some of the defensive prospects will finally be ready to step in seems steep to me
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:21 PM ET
I don't know. Montreal seems to really want him to get out of town. IF they don't accept then I would not trade for them. I say you have to try though. Dangle some names and see what they would want. I mean look at what the Rangers gave up for an aging St. Louis. Again you need to try
- kasperrko


I agree if you could get him cheaper I'm all for it but I still think you would have to give up some major pieces for him. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:25 PM ET
I don't know. Montreal seems to really want him to get out of town. IF they don't accept then I would not trade for them. I say you have to try though. Dangle some names and see what they would want. I mean look at what the Rangers gave up for an aging St. Louis. Again you need to try
- kasperrko



i love this assumption that garth is allergic to making phone calls. do you know he doesnt "try"

and the rangers got blasted in the st louis deal...callahan and soon to be 2 firsts. wtf
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:27 PM ET
I think a top prospect maybe amid level prospect and a first gets it done. I would not trade two of those guys but one yeah

We all know how I feel about Snow but remember when he traded for Ryan Smyth? He traded away a couple of prospects at the time and they ended up being busts. Nillson who was in the trade was a top pick and I believe Ryan O'marra was as well. So you never know

- kasperrko



hate snow all you want, but he wasnt guessing when he traded these guys away. chances are, he watched his prospects and had a good idea of their growth and development.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:27 PM ET
I agree if you could get him cheaper I'm all for it but I still think you would have to give up some major pieces for him. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time
- Vukota


All that I am saying is that with all the prospects the Islanders have it is impossible for all of them to make the team. Eventually you will have to trade them as there will be no space on the roster for them
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:30 PM ET
i love this assumption that garth is allergic to making phone calls. do you know he doesnt "try"

and the rangers got blasted in the st louis deal...callahan and soon to be 2 firsts. wtf

- LetsGoIsles


Never said he didn't. I am saying he has to try harder. Him offering contracts to people and them saying no thanks is basically what he has done. I think it destroys him when he gets denied.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
All that I am saying is that with all the prospects the Islanders have it is impossible for all of them to make the team. Eventually you will have to trade them as there will be no space on the roster for them
- kasperrko


No arguments here. I just think this theme is nobody wants to trade 2 or 3 of those prospects for Subban
chazzer1969
New York Islanders
Location: staten island , NY
Joined: 02.03.2014

Apr 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
keep subban in montreal,,,sDO NOT TRADE STROME AND A D GUY......ZERO.,,BAD IDEA

kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:34 PM ET
keep subban in montreal,,,sDO NOT TRADE STROME AND A D GUY......ZERO.,,BAD IDEA
- chazzer1969


Woah relax
Graves#9
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.04.2008

Apr 24 @ 3:36 PM ET
i love this assumption that garth is allergic to making phone calls. do you know he doesnt "try"

and the rangers got blasted in the st louis deal...callahan and soon to be 2 firsts. wtf

- LetsGoIsles



Rangers got blasted??? Are you serious, obviously not watching any Ranger playoff games, 5 pts in 3 games and all over the ice. You can keep your draft picks , I'll trade mine and watch playoff games every year.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
All that I am saying is that with all the prospects the Islanders have it is impossible for all of them to make the team. Eventually you will have to trade them as there will be no space on the roster for them
- kasperrko



this is true...but gotta be start with how he moves his assets. cant just give em away
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Apr 24 @ 3:42 PM ET
Not that I'm debating this but what are you basing this on?
- Cptmjl


Well , I guess point totals say a lot. I dont believe they say everything, but in 37 games, it looks like Strome couldn't produce consistantly. Nuge had basically the same numbers a year ago in the AHL as Strome has now. I'm not knocking Strome, I just think there is a reason he wasn't picked ahead of Nuge at their draft. I predict RNH will finish next season somewhere between 10th and 15th among Centers. This past year he finished 27th.
Graves#9
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.04.2008

Apr 24 @ 3:42 PM ET
You guys have your top 10 prospects ticketed for the hall of fame, pretty sure that's not reality, when you can get a 25 yr old top tier player for prospects you have to make those deals everytime.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 24 @ 3:43 PM ET
Rangers got blasted??? Are you serious, obviously not watching any Ranger playoff games, 5 pts in 3 games and all over the ice. You can keep your draft picks , I'll trade mine and watch playoff games every year.
- Graves#9



everyone predicted them to get thru to the next round...its not a matter of winning the 1st round of playoffs...its the next round id be concerned about if i were a ranger fan.

and no, im not anti rangers.
Graves#9
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.04.2008

Apr 24 @ 3:45 PM ET
everyone predicted them to get thru to the next round...its not a matter of winning the 1st round of playoffs...its the next round id be concerned about if i were a ranger fan.

and no, im not anti rangers.

- LetsGoIsles


Why's that?? Pitt or Columbus ??? Not worried about either one. Now Boston is a different story.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:46 PM ET
everyone predicted them to get thru to the next round...its not a matter of winning the 1st round of playoffs...its the next round id be concerned about if i were a ranger fan.

and no, im not anti rangers.

- LetsGoIsles


I agree the Pens, Bruins, Even Canadiens are going to be tough for the Rangers. I still think Callahan is a bigger loss then what they think
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:47 PM ET
this is true...but gotta be start with how he moves his assets. cant just give em away
- LetsGoIsles


I agree with that, but if you have someone who has already proven themselves here in the NHL and you know they can play then why not try to make the trade??

I mean I was disgusted when he traded Vanek and basically got nothing back. He has proven that when it comes to trading he is not the brightest bulb in the pack
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Apr 24 @ 3:48 PM ET
Again that is the Islanders motto. You pray he turns into that. I loved De Haan this year I really did but he still needs some time to prove that. Before this year a lot of people wanted him out of town.

Also true offensive defenseman are really not the greatest defensive defenseman. As long as they put up the points most teams are ok about them being average and they build around them with bigger defensemen

- kasperrko


Not I. I was big on him all the way and I recall a few others saying he had that 'it' factor including Dan.

Persnonally, I think once you figure de Haan's puck skills in along with his defensive play, he has a Ryan Suter quality to him and I can tell you I'd take Suter LONG before Suban.
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