it is clear he is shot. but i still question how much of that is him and how much is a result of being the wrong goalie to deal with the kind of situation/team which plays in front of him. You need a grant fuhr mentality. he isn't that kind of goalie...but put him on other teams and he could possibly be one of the best.
- Eklund

WHAT??!

NEVER should have come to that.
- Eklund

...but it did. and he blew it.

i hear your points but just because there are others to blame doesnt mean that he can wash his hands of any wrong doing.

no
- Eklund

Sure was. His team didn't mishandle the puck behind their net. Goaltenders cant take two periods off. Thats when it becomes their fault.

it is clear he is shot. but i still question how much of that is him and how much is a result of being the wrong goalie to deal with the kind of situation/team which plays in front of him. You need a grant fuhr mentality. he isn't that kind of goalie...but put him on other teams and he could possibly be one of the best.
- Eklund

Yeah, I'd partially agree EK. I do wonder sometimes if it's maybe the team or culture that is somehow hampering him. I question Dan Bylsma now a lot more than I did before. I wonder how he handles Fleury internally and behind closed doors?

Yeah, I'd partially agree EK. I do wonder sometimes if it's maybe the team or culture that is somehow hampering him. I question Dan Bylsma now a lot more than I did before. I wonder how he handles Fleury internally and behind closed doors?
- Flyers_V88

he is a hands off guy. in my experience at least. He lets his team play to their strengths. Not like a Hitch who puts a stamp on his team. Not sure that works with superstars in Pitt of in Sochi.

Yeah, I'd partially agree EK. I do wonder sometimes if it's maybe the team or culture that is somehow hampering him. I question Dan Bylsma now a lot more than I did before. I wonder how he handles Fleury internally and behind closed doors?
- Flyers_V88

The guy obviously gets nervous in high pressure games. Saw it last year when we had them against the ropes in a couple games in the first round. Guy imploded. The guy now is not the same person the year they won the cup.

...but it did. and he blew it.

i hear your points but just because there are others to blame doesnt mean that he can wash his hands of any wrong doing.
- LetsGoIsles

it had to get to that point.

Saying Fleury is down the scale of blame in this is just terrible, he let in 3 SOFT goals last night, if that was a Flyers goalie you would be screaming for his head, but because it MAF, a guy who is notorious for playoff meltdowns he gets a pass...please.

Maybe when the pens ship out MAF this offseason Dancing Dan can take his coaching "skills" with him.

which as a Flyers fan I hope they both stay, because their ineptitude to win when it matters makes them a joy to watch.

The guy obviously get a nervous in high pressure games. Saw it last year when we had them against the ropes in a couple games in the first round. Guy imploded.
- Cptmjl

as I began by saying there are PLENTY of times you can pin a playoff loss on Fleury....just not last night's loss

Saying Fleury is down the scale of blame in this is just terrible, he let in 3 SOFT goals last night, if that was a Flyers goalie you would be screaming for his head, but because it MAF, a guy who is notorious for playoff meltdowns he gets a pass...please.

Maybe when the pens ship out MAF this offseason Dancing Dan can take his coaching "skills" with him.

which as a Flyers fan I hope they both stay, because their ineptitude to win when it matters makes them a joy to watch.
- Pyzik

I didn't say he was free of blame, i said this loss wasn't HIS fault.

it had to get to that point.
- Eklund

A goaltender is supposed to be the equalizer, and Fleury wasn't. Despite their play, they were still in a position to win very late. That changed because of Fleury's gaffe.

Phhhhhtttt...

The playoffs are all about ebb and flow/back and forth pressure from two teams... playoff games are won on scoring opportune goals and making required defensive plays/saves.

The tying goal, granted, can't be owned by just Fleury... all Penguins on the ice at the time were at fault. They were a mess defensively.

However, the winning goal was an average wrist shot taken from just outside the blue line. It was a required save. Fleury should have had it. Therefore...

Fleury's fault.

A goaltender is supposed to be the equalizer, and Fleury wasn't.
- buffalofan19

to a point I agree, but he can't be asked to do it all by himself either.

Leaves net wide open with 30 seconds left with the opposing team bearing down. The only thing he didn't do was hold up a neon sign that said "Shoot the puck here." Not his fault? What game were you watching last night?

as I began by saying there are PLENTY of times you can pin a playoff loss on Fleury....just not last night's loss
- Eklund

Ok. When he mishandled the puck behind his own net and it leads to a loss whose fault is it then? Ill put it to you this way. I guarantee if they dont make it out of the first round he wont be a penguin next year.

while i dont think flower had a bad game, he continues to suffer from mental lapses at the worst time. see the flyers series. they got him a new goalie coach and a sports psychologist and after 10 months...............he does his worst marty brodeur impression then lets one in OT.

not that not seeing #87 or 71 on the stat sheet is helping OR that Olli Maatta is lugging the puck up the ice on the PP with 10 minutes left OR.....insert any exmple of what not to do with that much time left on the clock.

how about "he is not solely at fault" but him leaving the net is his fault. he has been caught several times this year in no man's land. maybe the new goalie coach should say "hey marc, next time......"

I didn't say he was free of blame, i said this loss wasn't HIS fault.
- Eklund

absolutely it was his fault...he is paid top dollar to make saves...and he failed to make them. 1 goal last night was unstoppable and that was the deflection that went over his head into the net, the rest he "should" of had or created the situation that led to the goal.

he straight up caused the game to go into OT with his behind the net gaffe.

to a point I agree, but he can't be asked to do it all by himself either.
- Eklund

Hasek did it for a decade in Buffalo just fine

and without superstar players around him like MAF has...

absolutely it was his fault...he is paid top dollar to make saves...and he failed to make them. 1 goal last night was unstoppable and that was the deflection that went over his head into the net, the rest he "should" of had or created the situation that led to the goal.

he straight up caused the game to go into OT with his behind the net gaffe.
- Pyzik

his team stopped playing with 8 minutes to go in the first period!

Hasek did it for a decade in Buffalo just fine
- Pyzik

he isn't hasek. and they didn't have Crosby and Malkin.

I agree with this article 100%. He made a poor decision because he didn't trust his team to actually do their jobs since they hadn't done their jobs for the previous 49 minutes. I wouldn't have trusted them to even make an attempt at getting that puck if I was in net either.

he is a hands off guy. in my experience at least. He lets his team play to their strengths. Not like a Hitch who puts a stamp on his team. Not sure that works with superstars in Pitt of in Sochi.
- Eklund

Yeah, he gives off that impression as well. It was reported Mario went down after the game and talked to Fleury to give him some words of encouragement.

Aside from Fleury though, Malkin and Crosby have to get it going soon. Same with Giroux in our series

while i dont think flower had a bad game, he continues to suffer from mental lapses at the worst time. see the flyers series. they got him a new goalie coach and a sports psychologist and after 10 months...............he does his worst marty brodeur impression then lets one in OT.

not that not seeing #87 or 71 on the stat sheet is helping OR that Olli Maatta is lugging the puck up the ice on the PP with 10 minutes left OR.....insert any exmple of what not to do with that much time left on the clock.
- i'mjustafan

you are exactly right. but who is everyone talking about today? Bylsma? Sid? Geno? no...its too easy to look at MAF