Ha! OK! How about this: "People who use these numbers should, by definition, know that the numbers aren't ironclad and shouldn't say X+Y=Z, because they should know how it works."


- AllInForFlyers

I am appeased.

I don't think he would have been recalled unless the Flyers planned on playing him. He has to be more useful than 4 minutes of Rinaldo.

Go get em kid.

- PLindbergh31

He could get the benefit of NHL practices and being around a team in a playoff run to get a bit of a taste

Yeah, Mirtle just put up a nice piece about the moment when he realized they had value and started incorporating them into his work:

http://www.theglobeandmai...anywhere/article18092385/
- Tomahawk

I don't blame him -- my come to Jesus moment was in baseball, of all things.

For the longest time, I was one of those naysayers. I kept playing a 20-man rotisserie league, and I kept finishing 12th-13th-14th.

And while people certainly can agree to disagree with me, with my life being what it is, that shouldn't have happened. That was ridiculous. It wasn't my lack of knowledge about the sport. There was something fundamentally wrong in how I was evaluating production.

So I asked a guy who was strong in another league WTF I was doing wrong. Because I won Fantasy Football leagues. Won NCAA pools. And he told me the way I was drafting was ancient history -- basing it on stuff like batting average and wins was ridiculous. You had to start understanding the value of OBP and WHIP.

Again: Understanding that stuff didn't lessen my enjoyment of baseball, and it didn't threaten everything I had ever learned. It added another layers to what I needed to know, because the biggest thing is this: No one knows everything.

There are some freaking smart people out there crunching these numbers, and while every person is fallible, when a guy with a PhD in mathematics starts talking about statistical probability, then maybe, just maybe, the guy on the keyboard could maybe listen for just a second instead of telling the guy with the PhD that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He could get the benefit of NHL practices and being around a team in a playoff run to get a bit of a taste
- Jsaquella

Its time for that. If the coach doesn't want to 'unleash' Rinaldo for fear of what may happen then you need to play someone else.

If you are intent on playing 4 lines, then every player needs to contribute in some way. Its time for a spark, and its time for Laughton.

I am appeased.
- BulliesPhan87

Ha! I try!

BTW, nice little post about B Schenn's production:
http://www.broadstreethoc...oint-production-a-problem

Bullets:
- his ES production is right on target for a scoring-line F,
- he's the 4th best forward at generating scoring chances,
- his lack of PP production is what's limiting his overall point production.
- Tomahawk

Interesting analysis of his regular season data set.

Maybe he's due. His traditional scoring numbers for the past month aren't good.

He could get the benefit of NHL practices and being around a team in a playoff run to get a bit of a taste
- Jsaquella

True. He just had a really long junior season, would they really recall him to potentially take part in a handful of practices? I think they are going to put him in the lineup. Just a hunch.

I don't think he would have been recalled unless the Flyers planned on playing him. He has to be more useful than 4 minutes of Rinaldo.

Go get em kid.

- PLindbergh31

Zac Rinaldo made his NHL debut in the playoffs, so why not Laughton?

Its time for that. If the coach doesn't want to 'unleash' Rinaldo for fear of what may happen then you need to play someone else.

If you are intent on playing 4 lines, then every player needs to contribute in some way. Its time for a spark, and its time for Laughton.
- flyer_nutter

I'd play him, for the reasons you suggest -- the 12 best forwards under NHL contract in the Philadelphia Flyers organization need to be on the ice tomorrow. If Laughton's one of them, get his ass out there.

Because you can lose, and losing isn't the greatest sin in the world, especially with a younger team that needs to take their lumps.

But that doesn't mean you need to keep trying to run through a brick wall with guys who could be more limited than guys who weren't available.

Berube would be smart to unleash Rinaldo Friday. We need a spark. Desperately. NYR have not paid a price yet. Unacceptable.

Berube would be smart to unleash Rinaldo Friday. We need a spark. Desperately. NYR have not paid a price yet. Unacceptable.
- GOA88

He was waiting for Laughton so when Rinaldo gets suspended for eternity we have someone to step in...

RELEASE THE KRACKEN!


EDIT: in all seriousness I like the fact Rinaldo listens to his coach. It gives me the illusion that there is some respect there, be it to Lappy or to Chief.

He was waiting for Laughton so when Rinaldo gets suspended for eternity we have someone to step in...

RELEASE THE KRACKEN!
- FlyersGrace

Rinaldo's first shift will be a kamikaze course straight from the bench toward the NYR crease

He was waiting for Laughton so when Rinaldo gets suspended for eternity we have someone to step in...

RELEASE THE KRACKEN!
- FlyersGrace

I hope Rinaldo takes someones head off. It would be worth it!!

I don't blame him -- my come to Jesus moment was in baseball, of all things.

For the longest time, I was one of those naysayers. I kept playing a 20-man rotisserie league, and I kept finishing 12th-13th-14th.

And while people certainly can agree to disagree with me, with my life being what it is, that shouldn't have happened. That was ridiculous. It wasn't my lack of knowledge about the sport. There was something fundamentally wrong in how I was evaluating production.

So I asked a guy who was strong in another league WTF I was doing wrong. Because I won Fantasy Football leagues. Won NCAA pools. And he told me the way I was drafting was ancient history -- basing it on stuff like batting average and wins was ridiculous. You had to start understanding the value of OBP and WHIP.

Again: Understanding that stuff didn't lessen my enjoyment of baseball, and it didn't threaten everything I had ever learned. It added another layers to what I needed to know, because the biggest thing is this: No one knows everything.

There are some freaking smart people out there crunching these numbers, and while every person is fallible, when a guy with a PhD in mathematics starts talking about statistical probability, then maybe, just maybe, the guy on the keyboard could maybe listen for just a second instead of telling the guy with the PhD that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah, it took me awhile to get past the initial wall O' numbers and funky terminology... I'd be interested in the conclusions of a lot of the articles written by stats guys, but same as everybody else, my eyes would glaze over when it came to the actual numbers themselves.

Once you get past that hurdle though, and kind of get the hang of things, it's like having a whole new sandbox of wonderful numbers to play with.

And like you, I don't think it has diminished my enjoyment of the game at all.

True. He just had a really long junior season, would they really recall him to potentially take part in a handful of practices? I think they are going to put him in the lineup. Just a hunch.
- PLindbergh31

I forgotten about it, but last year Laughton played six AHL games after his OHL season ended.

http://www.saratogian.com...ressive-in-phantoms-debut

I forgotten about it, but last year Laughton played six AHL games after his OHL season ended.

http://www.saratogian.com...ressive-in-phantoms-debut
- Feanor

Play him. We have nothing to lose

You really have no idea what you're doing...
- Tomahawk

Yeah, it took me awhile to get past the initial wall O' numbers and funky terminology... I'd be interested in the conclusions of a lot of the articles written by stats guys, but same as everybody else, my eyes would glaze over when it came to the actual numbers themselves.

Once you get past that hurdle though, and kind of get the hang of things, it's like having a whole new sandbox of wonderful numbers to play with.

And like you, I don't think it has diminished my enjoyment of the game at all.
- Tomahawk

There were definitely some things I look at that help me to formulate my thoughts about the game -- reliable zone entry/exit with possession stuff is like crack cocaine to me. I think that is maybe the single biggest thing in the game.

Most stats users use 5 on 5 because it paints a more reliable picture and full level of two way play, as most guys on the PK would have horrific numbers, because you tend to get outshot on the PK.

Since possession is only part of the game, obviously it's not as simple as just having good Corsi. It's a tool. It shows trends. There's other factors like score effects and PDO and a bunch of other things. Stats are used to illustrate trends, and you're really one of the few who seem to not understand that.

No stat is ideal. There's no number you can toss out there and say if a guy is this or higher he's great
- Jsaquella

What I understand is what the stats can do, and what they can't do. They can show general trends, but the can't isolate those trends to one player on the ice in a team game. It's impossible to do. Many of the Corsi disciples, fail to understand that.

Laught, but just caught the highlights from last night's Pens-Jackets game.

Laught, but just caught the highlights from last night's Pens-Jackets game.


- Tomahawk

SIEVE SIEVE SIEVE SIEVE

SIEVE SIEVE SIEVE SIEVE



- AllInForFlyers

Flower is like the gift that keeps on giving to fans of the other 29 teams.

Don't know if leight

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Scott Laughton recalled. A playoff option for offensive-challenged Flyers?

I don't blame him -- my come to Jesus moment was in baseball, of all things.

For the longest time, I was one of those naysayers. I kept playing a 20-man rotisserie league, and I kept finishing 12th-13th-14th.

And while people certainly can agree to disagree with me, with my life being what it is, that shouldn't have happened. That was ridiculous. It wasn't my lack of knowledge about the sport. There was something fundamentally wrong in how I was evaluating production.

So I asked a guy who was strong in another league WTF I was doing wrong. Because I won Fantasy Football leagues. Won NCAA pools. And he told me the way I was drafting was ancient history -- basing it on stuff like batting average and wins was ridiculous. You had to start understanding the value of OBP and WHIP.

Again: Understanding that stuff didn't lessen my enjoyment of baseball, and it didn't threaten everything I had ever learned. It added another layers to what I needed to know, because the biggest thing is this: No one knows everything.

There are some freaking smart people out there crunching these numbers, and while every person is fallible, when a guy with a PhD in mathematics starts talking about statistical probability, then maybe, just maybe, the guy on the keyboard could maybe listen for just a second instead of telling the guy with the PhD that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
- AllInForFlyers

The guy with the PHD can certainly talk about statistical probability, but what he can't do is isolate the data that results from a team game, and apply it to one player. It's impossible to do. With Corsi, when a corsi event happens for or against, it results in a lot of false data attributed to a player. There is no mathematical formula that can remove that. It's much more relevant in baseball with offensive statistics, because it's far more of an individual game. But it's not the case in Hockey. Here is a statement made today, that clearly illustrates the flaws and misuse of Corsi.

"Its a bad thing when your "2C" is getting 3 shots for every 7 he allows despite playing against weak competition and starting most shifts in the offensive zone."


The key words are "he allows"! As if Lecavalier was the only player on the ice, and was the only player responsible for those shots against.

Hal Gill
Today I thought a girl at practice gave me a heart sign. She was just asking me for a puck.