The assertion that a game is won or lost because of one player out of 19 who played just over 1/3 of the game at most.

To be fair, I really didn't do much there, that one discredits itself.
- 1979AD

So a player playing 1/3 has no affect on the outcome?

Controlled zone entry >>>>>> dump and chase
- bwield

i agree.

carlyle doesnt run his offense that way tho.

get carlyle to switch it up, i'll wait while you call him.

this isnt true at all.

towards the end of the season gardiner got more and more ice time

its not a coincidence that the forwards production lessened at the exact same time

the more ice time gardiner got the worst the leafs as a team played

its just the truth.
- Dozzer

I can't tell if you're attempting to match my sarcasm or if you actually believe what you're saying ....

Off to a funeral ...bound to be less depressing

actually i think gardiner is a big part of the problem on the leafs D

him and franson need to go.. been saying it for awhile.
- Dozzer

all good, your 2 cents

i do not like franson
but i like gardiner a lot.

will this hurt our friendship, no, lol

Thought we are talking about getting out of the zone not dump ins?
- HipHopisDead

i am talking about how the offense dies with gardiner carrying the puck

he freezes his forwards at the opposition blueline because he is played controlled zone entry while everyone else is playing dump n chase.

i agree.

carlyle doesnt run his offense that way tho.

get carlyle to switch it up, i'll wait while you call him.
- Dozzer

If only there was another solution..... hmmmmm

I can't tell if you're attempting to match my sarcasm or if you actually believe what you're saying ....

Off to a funeral ...bound to be less depressing
- The Law

gardiner is drummer dumb

you blame the guy who isnt playing within the system

thats what (frank)s everyone up.. RCs system is a dump and chase.. if everyone is on the dump n chase system and the D man decides that he's going to carry it and attack with possession.. the team going flat is on that D for not playing within the system everyone else is.
- Dozzer

So RC played Gardiner more because Gardiner was playing the complete opposite system of the rest of the team when we needed the wins?

i have broken it down 1000 bloody times on this site.

getting damn tired of doing it

its just like the franson love a couple years ago.. i said he sucked and everyone hated me for it

he sucks.. leaf fans are slow sometimes.. they see offensive skill and see point production and they get all mystified. sorta of like babies with shiny objects
- Dozzer

Easy there ...

i am talking about how the offense dies with gardiner carrying the puck

he freezes his forwards at the opposition blueline because he is played controlled zone entry while everyone else is playing dump n chase.
- Dozzer

Watch Rielly he gives the puck up at his own blueline with moving forwards and continues into the play.

If only there was another solution..... hmmmmm
- bwield

listen here.

keep talking down to me or anyone else you'll be on a break

thats your warning, i suggest you take it.

you blame the guy who isnt playing within the system

thats what (frank)s everyone up.. RCs system is a dump and chase.. if everyone is on the dump n chase system and the D man decides that he's going to carry it and attack with possession.. the team going flat is on that D for not playing within the system everyone else is.
- Dozzer

bruce

rc's system is the reason we are not in the playoffs.

nobody was excuting this 'system' and we lost 8 in a row.

gardiner upping his game to try and get the team some wins is not the problem.

Meh

Hindsite - it's easy for you to sit and say that now
- Garnie

it is yes.
at the time I liked the Grab buyout..until they resigned bozak

.. Mac was meh... I thought we were getting something more in Clarkson.. I bought the hype

Controlled zone entry >>>>>> dump and chase
- bwield

Maybe if everybody is on the same page

1 guy pretending to be Eddie Shack isn't controlling the zone.

Watch Rielly he gives the puck up at his own blueline with moving forwards and continues into the play.
- honesthockey

i know.. thats what i mean.. gardiner is too busy trying to be the damn hero

bruce

rc's system is the reason we are not in the playoffs.

nobody was excuting this 'system' and we lost 8 in a row.

gardiner upping his game to try and get the team some wins is not the problem.
- big_dion

doesnt matter Lucas, RC is the coach until the GM says otherwise.

i agree, i hate RC's coaching philosophy

but he is the coach.. his call.

it is yes.
at the time I liked the Grab buyout..until they resigned bozak

.. Mac was meh... I thought we were getting something more in Clarkson.. I bought the hype
- senstroll

grabo is the best player in this post

Did you listen to RC's post season interview... He said he was surprised with a young defenceman's assessment of his year... saying he felt RC limited his ability to rush up the ice at the end of the season (which RC was surprised about) and tha the player compared himself to another rover defenseman in the league.

First - RC needs to shut up and Second if Jake has an attitude like that he's gotta go - especially if he think he's Erik Karlsson.
- HipHopisDead

I'm no Gardiner rules the world guy. I think he's an offensive talent that needs some better coaching before we throw him off the bus. That's it ...

My comments are directed at the hatred. He has useful skills and he's young enough to make improvements to the rest of his game.

I don't see how RC and JG co-exist after RC outed him like that. It was pretty Wilsonesque.

Easy there ...
- The Law

sorry but its true.. so many fans are mesmorized by offensive talent

doesnt matter Lucas, RC is the coach until the GM says otherwise.

i agree, i hate RC's coaching philosophy

but he is the coach.. his call.
- Dozzer

yep, and his call led us to an 8th overall pick when we were basically top of the east after olympic break.

im not arguing or upset here im just saying i dont get how you guys point the finger at 1 player who was our best player in the final stretch of the season, it is mind boggling.

yep, and his call led us to an 8th overall pick when we were basically top of the east after olympic break.

im not arguing or upset here im just saying i dont get how you guys point the finger at 1 player who was our best player in the final stretch of the season, it is mind boggling.
- big_dion

cause i think what he did on the ice wasnt all that great.

if you dont abide by your coach's philosophy.. then you are not a good player.

So a player playing 1/3 has no affect on the outcome?
- honesthockey

I didn't say or imply that. What I'm saying is that attributing the outcome of a game solely on one player is absurd.

i am talking about how the offense dies with gardiner carrying the puck

he freezes his forwards at the opposition blueline because he is played controlled zone entry while everyone else is playing dump n chase.
- Dozzer

Yeah that did happen when the situation presented itself - rarely. Cause we hardly ever got outta the d-zone all year. Talkign about forecheck when you can't even get the puck out is pointless. Puck possession was a massive issue in the d-zone.

I agree more with the other assessment that our wingers were to centered, too high and too low to get outta the zone or to stop the other teams constant cycle. We continually did not support the puck to get outta the zone. Can't put any of that on Jake.

it is yes.
at the time I liked the Grab buyout..until they resigned bozak

.. Mac was meh... I thought we were getting something more in Clarkson.. I bought the hype
- senstroll

I didn't like the buyout for the fact he just got signed - same as JML

Anybody involved in the signings should have been canned immediately

JML signing smelled right from the get go - sign an old (frank) that just had his bell wrung - Anybody who could have stopped it and didn't should have been fired instantly.

i know.. thats what i mean.. gardiner is too busy trying to be the damn hero
- Dozzer

It's not even just his carrying of the puck. It's when it's in the offensive zone he heads into coverage where his teammate already is taking away a passing option. How many times in the last 15 or so games was he I deep in front of the net with two guys already there? He just doesn't have a hockey IQ at all. And it stalls offence rather than create it.